school chancellor michelle rhee. and then a student conference on the legacy of ronald reagan and the workings of the federal government. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> earlier this year the dalai lama made his first visit to arkansas. he spoke to an audience at the university of arkansas on nonviolence in the 21st century. this is an hour and a half. >> we typically associate with widespread social change and political renovation. but i would suggest to you that these individuals from their cloistered positions have affected more positive change in our lives than many who have devoted their careers to public service in the traditional manner. why is this so? my first inkling, my first inkling of an answer came while reading sister helen as she described a day in june 1980 that would change her life. she was listening to sister maria as she lectured to her community, and she was urging, and she was urging direct action with the poor. within the year sister helen had moved from a lakefront suburb into the st. thomas housing project

michelle rhee goes to the tea party states that are slashing the budget and introducing vouchers andexpanding on testing. and it makes me wonder and i would just like to throw this out to you, whether republicans right all along? how did president obama and bill gates come to be on the same side? >> guest: i think where i see it differently from you but actually let me try an analogy which will probably fail. i've never been able to figure out why gun control became a liberal versus conservative issue. it seems to me if i were conservative i would want to make sure that terrorists can't buy ak-47s. by the same token, i never quite understand, except i understood the finances of the democratic party, why so-called education reform was always seen as a conservative issue versus a liberal issue since the people who benefit the most, at least by their definition, by the reformers definition, the people who would benefit the most from their definition of education reform are the poor and the middle class, the people using our public schools. now i think when you look across the spectrum o

chancellor, michelle rhee, talk about ideas they are implementing. n hour and ten minutes. >> thank you michelle and mayor, this is one the most requested programs. thank you for being here and being part of it. let's start a little bit about both what you are doing in education, and would you give us your thoughts about what is the state of public education in america today? >> who's going first? she's the boss. the real answer is it sucks. i mean we're nowhere near where we need to be. there should be an out rage, there should be a national crisis. we should all be waving the flag and doing everything that we can. just think about this, the children that are in school today will be the first generation that are less educated than their parents. that to me is alarming that in the richest, most powerful country in the world, and we're losing our competitive advantage. secondly, when you think about this, if you go out, ten, twenty years, there's going to be 120 million jobs that are going to require high skill, high paying jobs. at the rate that we ar

republicans and conservatives are told with it and now president obama can link arms with jeb bush, michelle rhee goes to the tea party state slashing the budget and introducing vouchers in standard testing. it makes me wonder and i biked to throw this out to you, where the republicans right all along? how did president obama in delegates come to be on the same colleagues at the hoover institution >> guest: actually, let me try an analogy which is probably going to fail. i've never been able to figure out why gun control became a liberal versus conservative issue. if iraq is derivative, i would want to make sure that terrorists can't buy ak-47s. by the same token, i never quite understood, except i understood finances of the democratic party, why so-called education reform is a conservative issue versus a liberal issue since the people who benefit the most, at least by their definition committed people who missed it the most from their definition of education reform are the poor and middle-class, the people using their public schools. now i think when you look across the spectrum of people behind

whether joel klein or michelle rhee or any of your other villains. not any want of them. >> host: of course they do. i can't stop you. >> guest: there isn't any one of those people who has advocated that test scores be the full measure even more than half of the measures. >> host: they are to -- >> guest: you are making that up. >> host: that our legislatures across this country, including colorado and others, florida, and also in new york city, 40%. they have no basis for 40% or 50%. they don't know what percentage it should be. look at new york state. tests turned out to be falsely inflated. they collapsed a year ago. we don't give now three years of valid data on which to judge teachers. >> guest: they collapsed because a lot of people, including joel klein said they ought to be reevaluated. >> host: no, no, no. there was a study done by people from poverty said they were testing a narrow range of the standards that it was possible to pass the test by guessing, that they'll become too easy, and today, today the achievement gap in new york city is

good to see you. >> great to see you. >> gretchen: you hired michelle rhee because you wanted reformin the entire nation. you lost the election as a result over education reform! was it worth that? >> absolutely. the only way you're going to change the schools is being willing to put everything on the line. once you factor in getting reelected, to be honest with you, you're never going to make the tough decision necessary. michelle and i and i think a lot of other quote, unquote, reformers think that the system is badly broken and needs to be gutted and needs to be done over with if possible. you can't keep going along this path where kids are three, four grade levels behind in reading and math and thinking it's okay. >> gretchen: once of the things you just said that i found the most important was being reelected. if you continue to think about that, you will never evoke change. now, one of the things that comes into play with schools are the teachers unions. your thoughts? >> well, getting reelected actually, with teachers unions, initially democrats focused a lot. i happen to be a

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. >> michelle rhee who was the former chancellor in washington d.c., basically blame teachers for low achievement but. >> i think the results that just came out showed that the schools, that they have eliminated some of the teachers who were not performing. >> they also manipulated results >> this idea is sidelined competition. i am a member of a sorority inc. with black women's organizations that basically has a lot of teachers. [inaudible] >> i thought i like to but you made a mistake. who got the holy water? who got the holy water? [laughter] >> next question. >> hello, my question is, we talked about the young people and then we have -- you talk about the gap. my age group is, i guess we don't get a voice because a lot of us are educated and we are not employed as well. we are not being considered and i wanted to, as somebody who grew up in the city who moved to other states and who is a very persevering person, i would like to know one of the things that specifically this book fair is about books. my industry that i am interesting -- interested in publishing and was outsourced to

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. >> michelle rhee who was the former chancellor in washington d.c., basically blame teachers for lowachievement but. >> i think the results that just came out showed that the schools, that they have eliminated some of the teachers who were not performing. >> they also manipulated results >> this idea is sidelined competition. i am a member of a sorority inc. with black women's organizations that basically has a lot of teachers. [inaudible] >> i thought i like to but you made a mistake. who got the holy water? who got the holy water? [laughter] >> next question. >> hello, my question is, we talked about the young people and then we have -- you talk about the gap. my age group is, i guess we don't get a voice because a lot of us are educated and we are not employed as well. we are not being considered and i wanted to, as somebody who grew up in the city who moved to other states and who is a very persevering person, i would like to know one of the things that specifically this book fair is about books. my industry that i am interesting -- interested in publishing and was outsourced to

. >> michelle rhee who was the former chancellor in washington d.c., basically blame teachers for lowement but. >> i think the results that just came out showed that the schools, that they have eliminated some of the teachers who were not performing. >> they also manipulated results >> this idea is sidelined competition. i am a member of a sorority inc. with black women's organizations that basically has a lot of teachers. [inaudible] >> i thought i like to but you made a mistake. who got the holy water? who got the holy water? [laughter] >> next question. >> hello, my question is, we talked about the young people and then we have -- you talk about the gap. my age group is, i guess we don't get a voice because a lot of us are educated and we are not employed as well. we are not being considered and i wanted to, as somebody who grew up in the city who moved to other states and who is a very persevering person, i would like to know one of the things that specifically this book fair is about books. my industry that i am interesting -- interested in publishing and was outsourced to years

. >> michelle rhee who was the former chancellor in washington d.c., basically blame teachers for lowachievement but. >> i think the results that just came out showed that the schools, that they have eliminated some of the teachers who were not performing. >> they also manipulated results >> this idea is sidelined competition. i am a member of a sorority inc. with black women's organizations that basically has a lot of teachers. [inaudible] >> i thought i like to but you made a mistake. who got the holy water? who got the holy water? [laughter] >> next question. >> hello, my question is, we talked about the young people and then we have -- you talk about the gap. my age group is, i guess we don't get a voice because a lot of us are educated and we are not employed as well. we are not being considered and i wanted to, as somebody who grew up in the city who moved to other states and who is a very persevering person, i would like to know one of the things that specifically this book fair is about books. my industry that i am interesting -- interested in publishing and was outsourced to

the superintendent before michelle rhee, chris janeny actually fired more teachers than the impact system has done. and yet that factoid never gets out there. so, but let's, let's take this back. first off, evaluation systems have been broken. for a lot of the reasons that, um, that rick said before which is it's really hard to actually fire people. and so what happens is people don't -- and blame something else. they'll blame tenure, they'll blame other things. it's hard. it's a hard thing to do. >> you mean it's hard and people don't like to do it. >> it's hard because people don't like to do it. people don't like to look somebody else in the ideas -- in the eyes and say, you're fired. >> or you're doing a lousy job. >> or you're doing a lousy job. there are some people who do like that, but most of us don't. [laughter] >> [inaudible] >> right, right. i do, um -- >> [inaudible] >> so let's not go through the list of the people who do though. so, but actually what the union did, what our union did, um, and you both know this, is that we actually spent some time in the last couple of year