joining the panel is michelle rhee. thanks for coming on. lations on the book out on tuesday. >> thank you. >> so chancellor rhee, there's a story in the book where you talk about going to seoul and you describe a year where all students are given a rank based on their ability and everybody knows who is first and who is 18th. which sounds to someone who has recurring nightmares about being in school like a horrifyingly competitive atmosphere. i guess i wonder as we look at the trend lines, being more inclusive, having a more harmonious environment, seems to be the vogue. and you're advocating for at least more transparency. >> i think what we need is honesty. as long as we're telling all kid, yeah, you're doing well even if you're not, it causes a problem. i was in compton, california not too long ago and i was meeting with a mom, and she had an experience that i think was very interesting. she had an elementary school daughter who all through elementary school had gotten straight as. so she was proud of her daughter, thought she was doing re

i am pleased to have michelle rhee back at this table. welcome. >> thank you for having me. >> rose: why did you call it "radical"? >> you know, when i started the job in d.c. i was -- i took over the lowest performing and dysfunctional school district in the entire nation. so i started making very rapid changes. i started closing down low-performing schools, removing ineffective educators, i cut a central office bureaucracy in half. to me those seemed like really obvious moves to make. >> rose: right. >> what was interesting, though, is people started saying "she's a lightning rod, she's radical, she's doing all these controversial things." and i thought, really. i just thought -- >> rose: you thought it was just common sense? >> yeah, exactly. finally it came to me that if bringing common sense to a dysfunctional system makes me a radical than i am okay being radical. >> rose: you're happy to be a radical. "dedicated to the children of washington, d.c. who deserve the best schools in the world." >> that's right. >> rose: why do they des

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answers. >>> time now for our sunday spotlight this week on michelle rhee.ation activist with a knack for drawing attention and controversy. she made the cover of "time" back in 2008 when heading the d.c. public schools and left that job under a bit of fire after dismissing 36 principals and ending teacher tenure. now head of a nationwide organization students first, michelle has a new book out called "radical" and joins us now. good morning, michelle. >> good morning. >> you have this report on every state in the nation and how they're doing on education. and you are a tough grader. no a's, a couple of "b" minuses and more than two-thirds received a "d" or "f" overall. that is a pretty dismal assistment of where things stand. >> it shows how far we have to go. we as students first strongly believe there's no shortage of educators out there who are innovative and wanting to do the right thing and also know that all of our kids can learn at the highest levels when they're in the right school environment. the problem is that these educators and kids are trappe

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. >> rose: michelle rhee is here. she is one of those widely known and perhaps most controversial figures in education. she served as chancellor of the d.c. public school system from 2007 to 2010. her sweeping reforms and hard-nosed style have changed the national debate over school reform. she has written a new book about her vision for american education. it's called "radical: fighting to put students first." i am pleased to have michelle rhee back at this table. welcome. >> thank you for having me. >> rose: why did you call it "radical"? >> you know, when i started the job in d.c. i was -- i took over the lowest performing and dysfunctional school district in the entire nation. so i started making very rapid changes. i started closing down low-performing schools, removing ineffective educators, i cut a central office bureaucracy in half. to me those seemed like really obvious moves to make. >> rose: right. >> what was interesting, though, is people started saying "she's a lightning rod, she's radical, she's doing a

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. >>> the former chancellor of schools in the district michelle rhee is opening up about how she handled the firing of several teachers and principals in 2008. rhee said she did the right thing by making the cuts but should have done it differently. in 2008 she fired dozens of school employees, many of those principals fired on national tv. now she says she shouldn't have done that on national tv. >>> in maryland prince george's county school officials wouldn't exclusive rights created by staff members and students proposing the work should be copyrighted. now that so many teachers use school ipads for lesson plans and class work. it's worried that will stifle creativity. copyrighting is common for work created by professors and college students. >>> coming up a final check on the forecast. >> cold conditions sticking around, but a warm-up is on the way and a little more snow, details after the break. ♪ making the big romantic gesture. verizon. get a droid razr m by motorola in pink for $49.99. >>> a lot of you said you could feel the excitement ringing from new orleans to baltimore. ton

michelle is michelle rhee. >> acting chancellor.ohn: 5 years ago, she was manage picked to manage a dc school. >> i hadever run a school before, that is why people thought that i was a 37-year-old girl from toledo, ohio. john: people said, what, who? >> yeah, people said, he has lost his mind. john: her friends said she lost hers. >> i have two kids, 9 and 12. and they i put them in the dc public school. john: the schools were a disaster,tivity results among the worst in america. chancellor rhee learned although 8% of the dc kids were in grade level, there was something odd about how the teachers wereraged. >> i looked add performance evaluation of adult in the system, how good are the teachers, i found 95% of the adults were righted doing a growth job, how you can have a system where all workers are thinking we're doing a great job, and what we're producing for them is 8% success. john: she visited schools and saw empty classrooms. >> i walked into a school, i go to gues first classroom, 5 kid,d then 9, and 3, so i get to fifth or

. >> from new york city, now, michelle rhee, former chancellor of the d.c. public school system, recounts her career and present her thoughts on education reform. this event is about 45 minutes. [applause] >> michelle, firstly, thank you very much for joining us. i know you've had a couple busy days from last evening, jon stewart, cnn's piers morgan, and we're really delighted to have our old friends here from c-span filming this event so that many people from across the united states can benefit from a lot of what michelle has to say. so just to kick start it this evening, michelle, how did you come up with a fascinating and interesting book, "radical," and where does this interesting name come from? >> so i think the genesis of the name is an interesting one in that when i first got to d.c. it was the lowest performing and most dysfunctional school district in the entire nation, and that was a pretty widely-known truth. and, um, so i started doing things that i thought were of course for a school district in that kind of state. i, you know, started closing

. >>> former washington public schools chancellor michelle rhee has a new book coming out tomorrow. she was asked about her controversial tenure here in the district. >> what i did learn about my experiences in d.c. is that what we were doing i think were absolutely the right things. i needed to focus a little bit more on how we were communicating those things and doing things. so should i have fired in effective principals? absolutely. should i have done so on national tv? probably not. >> in her first year on the job in d.c., she closed 23 schools, fired 36 principals. she resigned in 2010 after the mayor was defeated by vincent gray in the democratic primary. after she left, there was an investigation over cheating on test scores. her new book is titled "radical." >>> well, for some people, they're more important than the game. we're talking about super bowl commercials and we're going to run down some of the most talked about ads on social media tonight. >>> plus, looking ahead to next year, leaders in new orleans passed the torch to the hosts of super bowl xlviii. >>> an emotio

. >>> former washington public chools chancellor michelle rhee has a new book coming out tomorrow. she appears on abc's "this week" this morning and was asked about her controversial ten tour. >> what i did learn about my experiences in d.c. was what we were doing were absolutely the right things. i needed to focus a little bit more on how we were communicating those things and how we were doing things, so should i have fired infective principals? absolutely. should i have done so on national tv? probably not. >> in her first year he closed 23 schools, fired 36 principals. she resigned in 2010 after mayor adrian fenty was defeated by vincent gray. along with her book titled "radical" she's the head of students first, an organization pushing for education reform. >>> lawmakers in virginia looking at tougher texting and driving laws. coming up a look at the changes they could try to push through in the commonwealth this week. >>> in alabama police still negotiating with a man who has had a 5-year-old hostage for nearly a week now. >>> and new information tonight about an american tou

. >> michelle rhee. >> by years ago she was picked to manage the d.c.ls in mike you had never run a school district. >> i had never run a school. >> that is why this 37 year-old girl from toledo. people said he lost his mind >> i had two daughters and i put them in the d.c. public schools. >> they were a disaster. >> among the worst in america. >> the chancellor learned only 8% to right grade level , there is something odd about the teachers. >> looking at the performance evaluations how bitter the teachers, 95 percent of the adults were rated as doing a great job so how the workers think we're doing a great job but we are producing a percent success. >> she's got into classrooms. >> i walked into this one school go to the first-class stamp, a five kids, nine kids, three kids, finally the fit there six classroom i said where are all the kids? she said it's friday. i just cannot believe the answer. is that all? i thought she'd would tell me there on a field trip she said it's raining. john: but not every classroom. attendants varies by teacher. >> i walk

so in that note please join me in thanking michelle rhee -- [applause] >> michelle rhee is the founder and ceo of students first. to find out more visit students first.org. >> are you interested in being a part of booktv's online book club? every month we'll feature a different book and author, and your invited to join. interested? send an e-mail to booktv@cspan.org. post a comment on facebook.com/booktv. or send us a tweet @booktv. >> you're watching booktv. and now tom allen, former six-term democratic congressman from maine, as he recount cans his own inability to understand his republican colleagues and vice versa during his tenure and contends that congress will remain locked on legislation until they start to understand each other. this is just over an hour. [applause] >> tony, thank you very much for those kind words. and thank you all for being here tonight. this is a wonderful crowd, and i'm very pleased to see so many of you here. i have to say it's a special pleasure for me to be at the jimmy carter library because my late father was one of those very early in the carter pre

that focused on michelle rhee and focused on these amazing schools charter schools called waiting for superman this film was was a huge i mean a success documentary wise was going to be nominated for awards and bill and melinda gates put two million in it this is only a very small part there and i wouldn't call it a philanthropic agenda i would call it a policy agenda just as we don't call the n.r.a. a philanthropic institution because there are forty certain policy aims i would not call the bill and melinda gates in general in terms of education philanthropic institution they're forwarding specific policy issues and in order to get this into the public consciousness they've spent according to the new york times report two years ago eighty seven million dollars on complicity alone that goes into things like waiting to superman and it goes into buying numerous puppet bloggers that receive money and even most recently there was a report about a scarred charter school for me in silicon valley that charter school was funded by i don't want to gates in part every member of staff there on t

that focused on michelle rhee and focused on these amazing schools charter schools called waiting for superman this film was was a huge i mean a success documentary wise was going to be nominated for awards and bill and melinda gates put two million in it this is only a very small part there and i wouldn't call it a philanthropic agenda i would call it a policy agenda just as we don't call the n.r.a. a philanthropic institution because they're reporting certain policy aims i would not call the bill and melinda gates in general in terms of education philanthropic institution their forwarding specific policy and in order to get this into the public consciousness they've spent according to the new york times report two years ago eighty seven million dollars on complicity a lot that goes into things like waiting to superman and it goes into buying numerous puppet bloggers that receive money and even most recently there was a report about a scarred charter school for me in silicon valley that charter school was funded by i don't want to gates in part every member of staff there on the boar

[applause] the michelle rhee we thank you for joining us and we know you had some busy-- pierce morgan, head john stuart, as cnn and we have our old friend here from c-span filming this event so people from the united states can benefit from what you have to say. just to kickstart how did you come up with a fascinating and interesting book "radical" and where does the name come from? >> guest: i think the genesis of the name is interesting that when i first got to d.c. fellow was performing in the most defunct glad -- dysfunctional district in the nation that was a widely known truce. i did things that i thought were obvious for school districts in that state, a closing low performing schools, moving out in the affected employees, cutting the bureaucracy in half and as i was taking these steps people started to say she is a firebrand, a radical, a controversial and i thought really? finally i said if reconnaissance to a dysfunctional system makes me a radical then i am okay without. that was embracing that concept for the name of the book. >> host: some people call you anti-teacher but

. >> michelle rhee becomes a casualty of d.c. politics. >> she lost in d.c. elsewhere are in america all sorts are new school are is succeeding and exciting things are >>> people who try to start charter schools often say the bureaucrats make is so hard and put up all of the obstacles and that is where there haven't enough charters to have a real market. in one town most kids now attend charters. how did that happen? >> hurricane katrina on track to make a direct hit on the low lying city of new orleans. >> it happened because of a hurricane. >> all eyes on new orleans. not only a famous city but below sea level. >> the entire area will be under water. >> when katrina flooded new orleans it didn't just flood much of the city it also destroyed the school system. some school reformers think maybe that is what needed to happen. >> it was wound of the worst school districts in the country. it was a horror. >> before katrina the schools were just failing. >> rebuild what was there or build something entirely new? >> laz built something new and made it easy for peo

michelle rhee and now founder and ceo students first. nice to see you. i love the book., what were the problems in the school '40s and '50s, chewing gum and running in the halls? >> it's a wild different rule. if you were teaching and writing and arithmetic and we are dealing with many different things. many kids are coming to school and not having the discipline and time management. values and character. schools serve a different purpose in many different ways. >> sean: baby-sitting service? >> along with the academics i think that teachers are required to do a lot more. they are serving multiple roles. >> sean: i think that is fair statement. i don't blame teachers, there are great teachers but we are not demanding what these kids are capable of. we don't want to test them. we don't want teachers to look bad. why don't we do that? >> i think you are absolutely right. it's a problem with the bureaucracy. i think there are plenty of educators that want to do the right thing. we also believe at students first, all kids can learn when they are put in the right school envir

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host: michelle rhee on schools -- let's go to our republican line. jason. hello. caller: hello. i have a small comment to make. i do not see teachers losing tenure for not doing their job -- job. i'm an involved parent. to sit there and say i'm not involved is ludicrous. host: what are your options in utah? you said you wanted to pull your kids out of school. where would you put them? caller: charter schools. a lot of friends have done this. i'm following this. they are doing this grading thing on a curve and that is not fair on the students. there should be something done about that. host: we'll hear from sean cavanagh. guest: if i understand correctly, he is making a switch to charter schools? host: yes. that is the plan. guest: he seemed dissatisfied with the quality of teachers and how they are evaluated. the advantages that charter school supporters site over traditional public schools is freedom from collective bargaining agreements governing teachers. charter schools have much more freedom when it comes to hiring and firing teachers and scheduling them at certain times. m

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