of staff, and i was recruiting staff for the mayor's office, and somebody sent me a resume of michelle robinson, and i still remember this. at the top of the resume, it said really it, terrific, is not want to be in a law firm anymore, and i had left a law firm, so that rang a bell, and i brought her in, and what was supposed to be a 20-minute interview went on for about 1.5 hours, and at the end of the interview, i said, would you like the job, and i should have asked the mayor first, and she wisely said, well, i should thought about it, and i called her again, and she said, i was talking to my fiance, and he was not all that excited about it, and he is a community organizer, and he wants to know who is this person that would be looking out for me, and would you have dinner with us, and i had dinner with the two of them, and you know the rest. >> what was he like, your first impressions of him? what did you take away? did you say, i know this guy is going to be president? >> of course, from the very start. i said, i see it in his eyes. no. but they both had this passion for public service, and