actually, i -- it's become almost a regular event, um, a specific officer was assigned, michelle roycroft was assigned to me and to my clients. and i was shown the information that related to my name ask the de-- and the detail of that. and it jumped out of the page at me, actually. although it wasn't quite as specific as i now know in relation to other clients, but i immediately recognized the content of voicemail messages that had been left for me and conversations that had followed those messages. they were slightly cryptic, but the detail was very clear, and it related to, um, information in a device that i'd given to a client and to others who were advising him in relation to a case where i was acting for that client on a regulatory matter. >> i think, i think news international would want me to say that -- although i'm not going to contradict anything you just said -- what you just said may be an issue in the civil proceedings. >> i understand that. i've spoken to or i'm aware that those that left the messages for me are also recall what was said at that time as well, but i apprecia

specific officer was assigned, michelle roycroft, was assigned to me and my clients, and i was shown the information that related to my name and the detail of that, and it jumped out of the page at me, actually. although, it was not quite as specific as i now know in relation to other clients, but i immediately recognized the content of voice mail messages that had been left for me, and conversations that had followed those messages. they were slightly cryptic, but the detail was very clear, and it related to information in a device that i had given to a client and to others who were advising him in relation to a case where i was acting for that client on a regulatory matter. >> i think news international will say, although i'm not contradicting anything what you just said, and what you just said may be an issue in other proceedings. >> i understand that. i've spoken to, or i'm aware that those who left the messages for me are also recalling what was said at that time as well, but i appreciate that. >> let me just understand that. in relation to the advice you had begin, are you sayi