that is beneficial any time the vote is divided is significant that kasich did not do well in michigan or illinoist joy in ohio so it is a wednesday phenomenon. the math is very hard. double trouble ladies 50% going forward of the delegates to hit the magic number john kasich leads 100 percent not a mathematical impossibility but ted cruz is 60% also unlikely but ted cruz continues to carry pick delegates in a few small states in the insiders are looking at the stop trump at a convention. >> are you confident that he has the momentum to go beyond that number so it doesn't matter? ordeal think they will back off? >> able never backed off because those who make money off of politics realized you can peddle influence if you have nine nobody has influence other than the american people he is not be holding to anybody. that scares the washington d.c. establishment so they will never quit it will be very close he will come very close to that 1237 number he could be slightly over but slightly under nobody else will come close. >> there is one decision alone to do more damage to the party by taking away t

primaries are in the northeastern and mid western states. >> why didn't kasich do better in michigan or illinoisy has he gotten crushed except in the home state? ted cruz is not a perfect candidates. >> nobody is a perfect candidate. we can stipulate that. >> but mathematically he can win, and if your view is to deny delegates to donald trump so there can be a fight at the convention -- >> that's not my view. my view is they blow up the rules, they will alienate trump voters. you have to bring those people into the tent. to respond to james and -- >> look, it is rules -- >> what does john kasich have to do to show he can compete. >> the fatal flaw in james' argument is mathematically it's possible, in fact ted cruz would have to be 70% of the remaining delegates. how you do that, as you point out he cannot seem to attract more than 20% or 30% of the most diehard conservatives, that is a stretch. i think ma john kasich's argument is now that marco rubio is out of the race, it's likely many of rubio's voters go to him. they liked the similar optimistic sunny candidate. he will go into the proporti

premise from corporate america was the following -- why would they want to pay workers in michigan or illinoisohio or vermont $25, $30 an hour, a living wage, a middle class wage, why would they want to negotiate with unions? why would they want to obey environmental laws when they can shut down in america, move to mexico, move to china, and exploit poor people all over the world? anybody who has a brain knew what these trade agreements were about and in the 1990's i was on the picket line with trade unionists in opposition. \[cheering] while all of the fears that many of us had in opposing these agreements turned out to be true. since 2001, 60,000 factories in america have shut down. not all of it attributable to trade. but a lot of it. and regions, like the midwest, michigan, ohio, illinois, have been particularly hard hit. you have lost tens and tens of thousands of decent-paying jobs. corporations shut down, moved to china, moved to mexico. i voted, help lead the opposition against every one of these disastrous trade agreements. \[cheers and applause] secretary clinton voted for virtually

that's interesting because you would think wisconsin would be similar to michigan or illinois where donald trump did win. so where he will do well will be with the white male working class voters. but it's a little more complicated in that in wisconsin they are rinsing to conservative talk show hosts and politicians in the area, and governor scott walker has a lot of influence in that state amongst republicans. charles: you have got strong conservative voices who do not like donald trump. you have got the establishment there as well. and for a while this 1-2 combining wasn't work. it feels like perhaps in some case it's starting to chip away, beyond wisconsin, could they do some damage? >> let's say donald trump has had a bad week. the only question is will he have a bad month. bernie sanders has carried five of the last six democratic contests. when you go into the north areas like lacrosse, lake superior, these are areas that which are prop ha d are populace and progressive. i think trump will fare well there. he shouldn't win this contest given the week he has had. if he were to survive

the media makes a big deal about, you know, winning missouri or winning illinois or winning michigan. we won michigan. secretary clinton won illinois and won missouri. you know what, you add them all together, there is no difference in delegates. what we're talking about, rachel, now is the number of delegates that we need. and what we proved in illinois and in missouri that what happened in michigan was not a fluke. we have real strength in the midwest and we have real strength, i think, as we head west in california and oregon and state of washington. the issues that are gaining us support in the midwest, for example, is the disastrous trade policies that have cost this country millions of decent paying jobs. i'm talking about nafta, trade relations with china and many others. workers in the midwest and all over this country are demanding is that we have a trade policy in which corporate america starts investing in this country and not just in china and other low wage countries. yes, we have got to do everything we can to support poor people around the world, but my view is you don'

illinois. if he can win one or both of those industrial areas -- she is from illinois by the way. if he can win one or both of those, say michiganio, illinois, that makes a huge statement about economics. challenging economics, and challenging on the known brand. even though he has been in the senate and the house before that, you are a known brand. i'm change. that's why his opening statements, he came right out of the box. and so bernie sanders can make advances and doesn't lose an entire state, like what happened with republicans in florida and ohio. so ohio is their prime target of opportunity, they believe. >> and i think you got to look for what those younger minorities do. he's making inroads in michigan, he's done well with latinos in texas. i think he got something like 30%. did well in nevada, too. i think here he was trying to do that same thing, connect with young latinos, like in ohio. american folks there are season. and he has good surrogates there in ohio like nina turner. >> and van jones, until michigan, there's no doubt hillary clinton was looking forward to turning toward a general election or looking forward

but let's say bernie won michigan, if he wins ohio or illinois, good for secretary clinton, she won the red states but we're never going to carry in november. but i'm winning the blue states that we must carry and he goes on to new york and he is going to do, if he is still in there, and i believe he will be, he will do very well in california, oregon, washington state. then the super delegates are going to take a look and say, these are the states we have to win. who won those states. that could be the scenario or hillary could sweep them all. we will find out tomorrow. >> if hillary clinton is the nominee, she won't do well winning blue states. >> she is doing well now, mayor. >> absolutely. and she has won many as we have seen. >> she lost michigan. >> he is going to hound me all night. >> what do you think the biggest sticking point is for sanders? he is behind in the numbers. there has been argument over and over about the pragmatism versus idealism. the bernie sanders isn't a like it put that way because they are hoping for hope and change like obama's campaign was as well. but th

that in carrying it life the tomorrow is that bernie sanders can call off an upset ohio or michigan and womenn illinois it's not going to change this families but it will show thatan stacy fry is life in akron today is the last chance to vote early before tomorrow's ohio primary if you are registered to vote youou can cast your ballot your local board of elections between 8:00 a.m.-2:00 p.m. bid that's also the deadline to mail him fox 8 will have all of your election results state with us forat real-time results as soon as the polls close love plenty of reaction on fox 8 news at 10:00 p.m. weather and traffic every eight minutes is just ahead. an update on what has happened straight ahead. the man accused of intentionally driving into two teamsd time with the dogs tough side of the story.th the weather will start to cooperate for his big drop fog and a good amount of cloud cover forud the most part the showers for rehab suspect oregon. new line see what any redevelopment until well after 6:00 p.m. starts to track colder died saturday. sounds good. we do have a little fog south of us i'll let you know

if sanders pulls out a michigan style victory in ohio or illinois or all three, clinton still leads in the math but is under pressure a little bit more politically. >> all right, christine thank you so much. you know what? if you want to watch the election returns come in starting at 2:00 a.m. tonight, this morningish, wherever that is, we'll be back on tv then. come back and join us then. in the meantime, let's bring in margaret hoover, a veteran of two presidential campaigns. molly and barry bennett, and al alex burns. barry, i want to start with you. the trump camp has the first big win of the day. the northern marriana islands. nine delegates. >> the key though, it's a big win. that's the eighth win where donald trump has won a majority of the delegates in the state which means right now he's the only person running on the republican side that can be nominated at the convention. >> that's rule 40. that's something that was put in place in 2012 hold. you need a majority of eight delegations to be nominated. unclear whether or not that rule will hold. i didn't realize that was the ei

i don't think anybody in michigan or cleveland, ohio or illinois we saw there, auto jobs shift to mexicohey benefitted from outsourcing. we think we should be able to see what's in the speeches this is a critical issue for voters. it a legal process going on but in terms of speeches and we would like to know if there are other foreign speeches where something was told something very different than what she tells people here in the united states. >> jeff, we' weaver thank you f being here. >> thank you. >> we'll find out what bernie sanders does tomorrow night when anderson cooper moderates the cnn democratic remembdebate liv flint, michigan. tweet me your thoughts. >>> coming up, if the nominees are clinton and trump, what would that contest look like? oh, look... ...another anti-wrinkle cream in no hurry to make anything happen. neutrogena® rapid wrinkle repair works... ...in one week. with the... fastest retinol formula available. it's clinically proven to work on fine lines and... ...even deep wrinkles. "one week? that definitely works!" rapid wrinkle repair. and for dark spots, rapid

illinois, better than ohio, more like michigan. what is it about this state as compared to illinois or ohio, where looks like he is poised to do betterberal or ask any progressive, they will go back to the strong progressive history wisconsin has, and people hold true to that. we have people actively involved on a yearly basis -- not just one presidential elections, rum. bernie sanders has been coming to wisconsin for years, long before he was even being talked about as a presidential candidate terry he has a following -- candidate. he has a following here. look at a state university town, we have seen him do well in liberal university towns. medicine is good for that. mr. defour: he will do well here -- the marquette poll -- he is doing well in milwaukee county. he is beating clinton. that is a good indicator. john: let me be the why guy. why? we went to this hillary clinton event monday night -- not crowded, not very much energy. why she not doing better in part of the state where she should do well? goes back to the recall, they were organized back then, but maybe not enough to win the recall, but it is a very liberal, you know, y

my folk success michigan and mississippi, believe it or not. i spent time there and going to illinois tomorrow. that comes up on the same day as ohio and apparently i am rising now in illinois in the national polls and everything. >> and that is what he was focusing on a lot at what ohio is on the national stage. he is on the national stage. another topic he touched on was one of the questions from the crowd. if that means a brokered or split convention in cleveland in the summertime and he said he believes if there is a brokered convention will vote for the person most qualified and best person. we will have more on tonight's event coming up tonight. scott taylor is here and he will have a report coming up tonight on cleveland 19 news. live tonight dani carlson, cleveland 19 news. >>> all right, dani. schilling in town tonight and the democratic presidential candidate holding a rally at the cuyahoga community college rec center. doors open at 7:00. details on how to register on cleveland 19 news app. four states holding contents and donald trump leading big in the polls in mississipp

both candidates aiming for a michigan audience, a rust belt state audience, or a national audience? >> it melt like michigan. >> michigan and the rust belt states. illinois, wisconsin, ohio, et cetera. i think that's the criteria by which to judge their performance tonight. even more important, there is a lot of discussion about the '90s. and if you take a step back and think about what was the democratic party like in the '90s? run essentially by the dlc, not with any on the ground organizing or movement politics particularly from black america. if you compare that to the moment we're in now, this is a very different democratic party that we are seeing now with both these candidates who are both making reference to the '90s. but the democratic party has moved, i would argue, to the left since the '90s of dog whistling from both political parties. >> to dorian's point, the people voting right now in the democratic primaries, according to the exit polls, self-identify as more liberal than they were previously. >> absolutely. but i think the biggest specter of the night was really donald trump. he wasn't on stage but his language of basically cutting off t

both candidates aiming for a michigan audience, a rust belt state audience, or a national audience? >> it melt like michigan. >> michigan and the rust belt states. illinois, wisconsin, ohio, et cetera. i think that's the criteria by which to judge their performance tonight. even more important, there is a lot of discussion about the '90s. and if you take a step back and think about what was the democratic party like in the '90s? run essentially by the dlc, not with any on the ground organizing or movement politics particularly from black america. if you compare that to the moment we're in now, this is a very different democratic party that we are seeing now with both these candidates who are both making reference to the '90s. but the democratic party has moved, i would argue, to the left since the '90s of dog whistling from both political parties. >> to dorian's point, the people voting right now in the democratic primaries, according to the exit polls, self-identify as more liberal than they were previously. >> absolutely. but i think the biggest specter of the night was really donald trump. he wasn't on stage but his language of basically cutting off t

illinois off an upset in michigan. looking to do the same thing in illinois. >> every politician, whether they are democratic or republicanways say well, yes, i'm getting huge amounts of money, but it doesn't impact me. really? then why would wall street be giving you $15 million? furthermore, as many of you may know, secretary clinton has given a number of speeches behind closed doors to wall street firms like goldman sachs. and for those speeches, she is paid $225,000 a speech. now, the way i see it, is if you're going to give a speech and get $225,000 it must be an extraordinarily brilliant speech. you know, it must be really opening new vistas of human thought. and i think that it is appropriate for secretary clinton to share those transcripts with the rest of the country. now, secretary clinton says she is prepared to do that if other candidates do the same. so let me make a dramatic announcement to you all today. i am prepared at this moment to release all of the transcripts of the speeches that i gave to wall street. are you ready for them? here they are. no transcripts, no speeches. and i just cannot imagine why w

rubio wins at home in florida and rubio or kasich wins illinois. and rubio gets michigant a race. but how many states is that? to do this, powerball, walking to mars. if you look at any public data right now it's impossible to see this happening. why aren't they going out the states that vote saturday or tuesday. if you let him pull up the map and let donald trump do this, even if you take one or two of these away, you don't have to be a mathematician to understand you're that far ahead. that horse is going to win. >> what does the 15th look like for trump? >> right now, you find me a state. you find me a state where donald trump is not ahead in the polls. you can't. also to be fair, there's not good polling in a lot of these states. we have since the kkk controversy, since the attacks on donald trump, since the conservative superpacs said we should run some negative ads against this guy. there are some signs if you look at last night, there are signs people are looking at, well, he didn't win oklahoma or minnesota. his margins in virginia were close. there are some who w

or illinois or both? >> i hope so. we've got a good shot in missouri, i think. and closing hard in illinois and ohio. as we did last week for michigand there's a lot of early vote and in florida, independence cannot participate there. that's an advantage for hillary. more to participate and the better bernie does. we hope to win a lot of delegates everywhere to want. we hope we can win states as well. >> tad devine, thank you very much. good luck out there. catch up with you soon in person. and coming up, midwest barn storming. chris jansing. both of them in a moment and 5:00 eastern, a chance to look at the exit polls to give us some big clues as to who is going to have a good night in all five of tonight's contests. stay with us. you're watching a special edition of andrea mitchell reports in miami only on msnbc. ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ hey kevin. hey, fancy seeing you here. uh, i live right over there actually. you've been to my place. no, i wasn't...oh look, you dropped something. it's your resume with a 20 dollar bill taped to it. that's weird. you wa

you know, he won michigan, but then didn't win the states last week. >> illinois or ohio.r missouri. >> he mentioned new york state there, where hillary clinton was senator. so and also, you have to remember that every state in the democratic contest is proportional. so even if he wins some of those states, depending how he wins, he may only pick up a few more delegates, and so she has a big lead. he has to start winning states with a big lead. >> okay, what makes him a prince at the convention? let's be honest about this? what way to end this campaign would make him a shining star come philadelphia. i would argue, he must be thinking, he winning california, he wins a gold prize out there, then it's over, he goes to philadelphia, having won california or something like that. >> a couple of these caucus states coming up, chris. the campaign thinks he is going to win in the caucus states and pick up some momentum and that's why clinton campaign is focused on arizona. but look, he is fighting -- >> can he win in arizona? who lives in arizona? >> it looks like he has a shot, b

illinois. if he can win one or both of those, say michigan, ohio, illinois, that makes a huge statement about economics. that's why his opening statements, he came right out of the box. a are and so bernie sanders can make advances and doesn't lose an entire state, like what happened with republicans in florida and ohio. so ohio is their prime target of opportunity, they believe. >> and i think you got to look for what those younger minorities do. he's making inroads in michigan, he's done well with latinos in texas. did pretty well in nevada, too. i think here he was trying to do that same thing, connect with young latinos, like in ohio. . american folks there are season. >> and van jones, until michigan, there's no doubt hillary clinton was looking forward to turning toward a general election or looking forward to turning towards republicans. she cannot do that now. bernie sanders is running hard, runging strong a running strong and has deep pockets. >> and the rebellion in the party is real. over and over again people have to be reminded or shocked into realizing there is a full scale rebellion in b

illinois are in jail. michigan, every city councilmember, or democrats, voted for this water to be pumped out of the flint river. this, can we get somebody to get the message that rick snyder -- he appointed a democrat to help flint, michigan, because the previous administration was corrupt. that is the only reason he had an emergency appointment. the flint river water project, and we need somebody -- that theg to democrat's making big propaganda. we need leadership within her own party to tell these people the truth, where we'll just keep happening. couldn't agree more and that is why think hillary clinton is struggling as much a she is. i don't think people are fully appreciate the bernie sanders is accomplishing. he is an older white socialist from a white state, and he is one of third of the state against clinton. more than a third, actually, at this point. it is the sort of thing where this is essentially a referendum on her. she is basically running unopposed. he was only recently a democrat. the fact that he is doing so well is because of these callers were going, why do i want this creature in was

but i think when you get to the midwest, michigan, ohio, illinois, i don't know for better or worse howly disagree. i think we shouldn't overstate or overlook the fact that maine is a caucus state. i think cruz's strategy similar to obama's, we talked about earlier when he did this to hillary clinton in 2008, has been to focus on the caucus states. there's a big difference between asking people to come out for a number of hours and support a candidate as we have seen in the caucuses versus to vote in the prime arkansas. the problem for cruz, although he's having a good night tonight, is the calendar. if you look at these states, where is he going to win? florida, illinois? missouri, north carolina, ohio? maybe north carolina. those are all primaries. maybe north carolina. >> are trump voters more willing to drop the vote and leave? you are saying cruz is more willing to stick it out for a few hours? >> and cruz is organized. >> we started our coverage talking about how all of these are closed contests tonight. >> republican only. >> right. and how would donald trump do withoutthe indepe

or democratic primary. so it's a little bf different than what we're seeing in illinois and missouri, and last week in michigan, but certainly it's not closed the same way that florida is. >> so the difference potentially would be, mark, in ohio, for example, those people asking for crossover ballot could be some of these reagan democrats as we have heard, who in the past supported the democratic party but are now part of this broad group that we describe as the angry white vote. in illinois, the theory is that these are some people who say hillary clinton is in a safe spot. it's a wide enough field for her that they want to stop trump. and are going and voting on the republican primary in an attempt to vote against him. >> yeah. tamron, that latter strategy is something we have heard from an anecdotal where there were democrats, say, in michigan, who might have been hillary clinton or bernie sanders supporters but voted in the republican race to either boost donald trump or to be able to stop him. we have heard some anecdotal tales about that in this week's round of primaries. but it's nothing more than anecd

michigan. the question is whether or not tonight he can repeat in some of these rust belt states and specifically we are looking at ohio right next to michigan but we are also looking at illinoisand may even by extension, bret, missouri. his best shots right now we would say would be in missouri and illinois, you know. but right now it looks to me from the early exit polls clinton is pretty secure going through states with large black populations. i'm thinking here florida. i'm thinking north carolina. and, again, i'm coming to a state with big cities like cleveland, ohio. but, remember, that you are also looking here as we consider what sanders can accomplish tonight. you are looking at his results with black voters. remember, he won 30% of black voters in michigan. he had never won more than 15% before. he did extremely well with independents but, specifically, with young people. and here i'm giving a little bit but let's say under 45, he wins two thirds of those voters on the democratic side. so, will he be able to repeat? that's the question. >> brit, you know, her supporters, hillary clinton supporters say he could have a great night. and is he just not going to have the

bernie sanders needs a win in either ohio, illinois, or missouri to keep his momentum up that he has, that michigannd he has a really good chance because of the demographics in each place, because of his message on trade, particularly places like ohio and illinois. bernie -- even if he doesn't he has enough money to keep going forward. so he is in a pretty good place. >> did you see when mike lee, the senator from utah, stood up and basically told rubio, i got word from ted cruz you need to get out of sneer. >> yeah. they're friends. i believe that mike lee was -- >> that's a friend. >> -- cosponsor of rubio's tax plan. these are two people that have a will say mike d cruz are closer friends. ted cruz basically writes love poetry to mike lee in his book about his life. so the two of them are fairly close and now they're certainly better friends than marco rubio and lear. >> they were brothers in arms on shut down the government night, and still reminisce about that over the dinner table as they believe in their own family. i wonder if what you make of this, let's all come together, the idea that we

illinois, neighboring state, better than michigan. what is it about this state as compared to say illinois and ohio, where it looks like he is poised to do better? >> i mean, ask any liberal or any progressive here and they'll go back to fighting bob lafollette, and actively involved on a yearly basis, a regular basis, not just one presidential elections come around. bernie sanders has been coming to wisconsin for years talking to these people, even before he talked about being a presidential candidate. he has a following here. of course, like any big university town, we've seen him do well in liberal university towns. madison is good for that. he is doing well in madison. >> he is going to do well here too. just look at the marquette poll yesterday, he is doing well in milwaukee too. he is beating clinton. >> let me be the why guy. why? we went to this hillary clinton event on monday night, incredibly sultry event, not much energy. why is she not doing better in the state she should do well. >> a lot of organization in the state of progressive, the recall, the protests in 2011, they were organized back then, maybe not to win the recall or even seat scott walker, but that st

michigan. a whole slew of states will vote saturday and sunday, and over the next couple weeks or ten days, including mississippi, florida, illinoisio, north carolina, kansas and louisiana. but michigan is in the spotlight with its primary next week. also front and center because of the democratic debate over the weekend in flint, michigan. that flint water crisis has caused both candidates to make the city's predicament part of their stump speeches and both bernie sanders and hillary clinton have visited the city. the former secretary, though, continues to keep her focus on the republicans last night chiming in on twitter about the republican debate tweeting, how many more of these do we have to sit through asking for a friend. that tweet include add gift of clinton rolling her eyes and rubbing her temples. it's quite clear that hillary clinton was having a very good time at this debate, as the republicans debated whether they'd be the best person to go up against her in november. carol? >> all right. there's the gift right there. apparently it's gone viral. the most shared gift of the night. interesting. >> reporter: she tweeted

universities of the midwest, university of michigan, missouri, illinois, iowa, they were all made possible by land grants either from the federal government or state governments in the late 19th century. brian: as you know, state governments used to spend a lot more money on state institutions of learning and education. now the numbers often down as low as 15%. why did that change ago -- chain? inert: it is a change political philosophy, tightening up budgets, the state university has been one of the great american institutions that has achieved ethical increase. in college completion rates. we have had a general political turning away from governments, not only at the federal level, but at the state and local level so that we have had austerity. we have all heard about austerity being part of the reason why europe is a continued recession. but we have had her own brand of austerity both in the federal government since 2012, and in the state and local governments throughout the time since the recession. part of it is due to the fact that state governments cannot run deficits, their first two rounds -- first to run a balanced budget. so when

it might be by a narrow margin or an even delegate split, but bernie sanders get a win in michigan and next week you have illinois, ohio. almost half the vote in. they're counting fast in idaho. it's an example to the nation. 47% in. ted cruz with a healthy lead there over donald trump. 41.5% to 29%. it looks like cruz is on track. it's a smaller delegate take, but at least to say sure marco rubio gets michigan and puri. >> thanks very much. one of the big headlines is the big stunning upset by bernie sanders in michigan beating hillary clinton. >> i think that the clinton campaign is doing a lot of thinking about what they missed in the state of michigan. i think the polling ought to do a lot of thinking about what they missed. the polls were off by about 25 points. >> that's hard to do. >> they did it. i think it puts an awful lot of pressure on hillary clinton going into ohio. i mean, look, she is the -- take a step back. she's the overwhelming favorite. she's got a substantial delegate lead. this was a moral victory for bernie sanders, which he had to have or this would have been it for him and he did it, but

universities of the midwest, university of michigan, missouri, illinois, iowa, they were all made possible by land grants either from the federal government or state governments in the late 19th century. brian: as you know, state governments used to spend a lot more money on state institutions of learning and education. now the numbers often down as low as 15%. why did that change? robert: it is a change in political philosophy, tightening up budgets, the state university has been one of the great american institutions that has achieved ethical increase. in college completion rates. we have had a general political turning away from governments, not only at the federal level, but at the state and local level so that we have had austerity. we have all heard about austerity being part of the reason why europe is a continued recession. but we have had her own brand of austerity both in the federal government since 2012, and in the state and local governments throughout the time since the recession. part of it is due to the fact that state governments cannot run deficits, they're forced to run a balanced budget. so when the revenues declined as a

points in michigan, which was much narrower than the 50 or of 0 points that had been in places like louisiana -- >> similar to ohio -- >> she won 29% of the black vote in michigan. he won 29% in illinois. >> do the cross-tabs by age. that's what we're -- >> how do you understand -- he laid out on argument -- >> do the cross-tabs by age in south carolina. >> why that is in terms of south carolina -- >> she still won but -- >> what do you think the argument is? >> i think ben is largely right about why that is. i think also younger people, it's true of younger white people, younger people are extremely angry about the levels of student debt and the low levels of opportunity. they don't -- i don't know what they know about the clinton years. but they know that these years they haven't gotten what they hoped for. also, young people really are excited about change and change in a big way. it's true that older people think it takes more time. >> i think one big question coming out of this in terms of consolidation and in terms of young voters is making an argument to young voters that the system is rigged and can be unrigged because i think that -- the experience -- bill de blasio said this

illinois, missouri. these are places that are similar to michigan that it may be tighter. even though the public poll say 20 points ory not happen. mark: does this mean that hillary clinton is worried about losing her home state? jennifer: wichita state? -- which home state? john: i think she was born in illinois. jennifer: she lost it in 2008 to another person. mark: i will ask you about money. your candidate keeps raising money on the web. is she going to fundraisers these days? jennifer: for the past week or two, she hasn't been going to fundraisers. she did a big party about a week ago in new york with elton john and katy perry. danger, ifhey in this thing is protracted, of her not having anywhere near the same amount of money as bernie sanders? jennifer: it is possible, but her burn rate has been way lower than his the past few months. they are still spending a trend is not the money. she is getting better though, they say. they are saying that she is drawing more grassroots donors and that she is getting more and these smaller contributions, but that average has gone down a bit and that she is now over 900,000

universities of the midwest, university of michigan, missouri, illinois, iowa, they were all made possible by land grants either from the federal government or governments in the late 19th century. brian: as you know, state governments used to spend a lot more money on state institutions of learning and education. now the numbers often down as low as 15%. why did that change? robert: it is a change in political philosophy, tightening up budgets, the state university has been one of the great american institutions that has achieved epical increase in college completion rates. we have had a general political turning away from governments, not only at the federal level, but at the state and local level so that we have had austerity. we have all heard about austerity being part of the reason why europe is a continued recession. but we have had her own brand of austerity both in the federal government since 2012, and in the state and local governments throughout the time since the recession. part of it is due to the fact that state governments cannot run deficits, they're forced to run a balanced budget. so when the revenues declined as a result

michigan. that's not a state that's particularly well matched to him. i know there are campaigns or outside grops polling in states like florida and illinois have him doing a texas senator that mainly appealed to the far right. so there are indications of real momentum for cruz among voters who are just unequivocally opposed to donald trump. you probably have now one week for somebody like john kasich to make his case. >> ted cruz has an event at 10:00 a.m. this morning in miami. they're advertising anti-rubio ads in florida. what is the ted cruz play in florida right now? >> finish rubio and move on to donald trump, the main event. if you're the rubio campaign, you're trying to make this case that it's ungentlemanly and hurts the larger cause of stopping trump to kneecap rubio in his home state. as far as cruz sees it, those votes rubio is pulling is coming out of ted cruz's side. >> what is their strategy, ted cruz is not good for marco rubio. >> right. what they say is that if ted cruz achieves his goal and gets some of rubio's votes in florida, that effectively hands florida to donald trump. at which point donald trump would be unstoppable. their arg

michigan. the sipsychology of the race isf bernie sanders can take ohio or illinois. if he has a stronger showing. last night was an opening. it was not a game changer. next tuesday could be a game changer. she wants to put him back in his place. make him a message candidate. they have reasons to escalate the attacks, but there are risks. that's why i'm fascinated by the chess. >> how aggressive will it get tonight? we saw the tension on sunday with the issues of nafta and trade. will they come out from the get-go? >> i think they might. it is hard to say. so much is at stake, particularly for bernie sanders right now. i can't imagine that he would back off. he was very aggressive at the last debate. i think he will continue. >> i want to thank john king and gloria borger. thank you so much for joining us. >>> so much happening in the race for president. republicans in just hours will take the cnn debate stage. pivotal elections in ohio and florida. just days away. this as overnight, hillary clinton and bernie sanders held their most contentious debate yet. good morni

than the voting population than in michigan or a state like missouri, and you wonder whether he can't make some noise in those states as well. i still think in illinois, larger african-american vote, a state she has some ties to, florida, are going to be tougher states for bernie sanders, but he's clearly going to be hanging around here and she's going to have to contend with him for some time to come. >> there's something larger going on -- go ahead. >> i was going to say it's an open primary, ohio. and northern ohio really is like michigan. so this should scare the clinton folks, if anything. maybe they should drink what axelrod is drinking or have that apple because they're going to have to put a lot more boots on the ground in order to, i think, win back the share of delegates needed in some of the northern states. north carolina will be good, florida, illinois, but missouri, ohio -- >> clearly hillary clinton had hoped to start to pivot toward donald trump or whoever the nominee is. >> that was a mistake. wishful thinking. >> we've been hearing that in her victory speeches over a number of weeks. clearly that has to be delayed. >> she's done a g

illinois, ohio, for example. because the reality is even if he comes close to her or beats her in michigan, it's going to be tough to make a real delegate difference. >> thank you very much for your reporting tonight. >> thanks to you both. >> that will do it for us this hour. maine caucus close for republicans in just a little bit. and msnbc coverage will pick up coming up in just a minute with chris matthews. >>> good evening. i'm chris matthews at msnbc headquarters in new york. call it super saturday the sixth round of a heavyweight fight. the fact is we're in the thick of it. if you think it's over, tell it to the fighters. tell it to the voters. today they're out there from maine to nebraska down to louisiana trying to decide this thing. democrats may think hillary clinton's in ship for victory, but those feeling the burn are still feeling it for senator sanders. donald trump may be the most exciting candidate in either party but establish republicans and hard right republicans and neo conservatives are all hoping to stick a crow bar in his spokes. if they can't beat him they're determined to slow thim down

illinois. those states are located a lot closer to michigan. >>reporter: the polling data shows that the key issue was the economy. apparently she was not correctly or successfully reaching blue-collar workers in michigan and florida is different. it is more about the immigrant population and keep in mind that 1 out of every 3 is of hispanic descent as far as voters. that is the group she needs to connect with in order to win the state. florida is a big prize coming up on tuesday and hillary clinton really needs to move and win here to focus on the general election. >>> the republican debate is coming up and it seems like many are saying this is a cruise race. what about rubio, does he stay in and risk florida? >> he is the big question and really needs to win or else it will be hard for him to make an argument in order to continue forward. on the last round he did not win anything save his candidacy is in jeopardy. many people are figuring he will just drop out and many are calling for him to drop out before tuesday. we do not think he will do that and it will be interesting to see, the latest poll coming out within the hour has donald trump 23 poi

also possibly illinois and michigan, if donald trump would put these states into play. that's why this next stretch here, this next five days or so, so interesting to watch on both sides of the race because they are so, so, so interconnected. >> thank you very much, jeff. joining me now nia henderson, ron brownstein, and my other guests. it is not winner take all for the democrats. how well could bernie sanders do here? >> he's way behind. this is really the first time this entire cycle he's really set foot in florida to do anything, but he has a fair amount of passionate support. if he wins 30% or 40%, it's not a blowout, but it is still a fair number of delegates. >> which is the crucial thing that keeps this alive. >> the way the democratic proportionality works, two things are true. it is hard to knock someone out completely and it is hard to catch up when you're behind. both things are true. hillary clinton's delegate lead is a fact, especially compounded by her advantage among the super delegates. bernie sanders needs a change in the fundamental dynamic to overtake her between now and the end of the line. >> i think you

or contained. major garrett, cbs news. >> for the democrats, bernie sanders is confident he will clinton today. sanders skrd a surprise win last week in michigan and hopes for similar victories today in missouri, illinois and ohio. nancy cordes reports. sanders says the primary map is shifting in his favor. tomorrow he needs to prove it. in ohio, illinois, missouri, he has been hammering the message that delivered him a surprise win in nearby michigan last week. >> and the key difference between secretary clinton and myself. is not only did i vote against every one of these disastrous trade agreements, i helped lead the opposition to them. >> it prompted clinton to talk tougher on trade too. >> i will stop dead in its tracks any trade deal that hurts america. worker. she tosses back a guinness in this weekend. and rallied with plumbers in chicago this morning. >> i'm going to fight for american labor. but it has been hard to ignore the elephant in the room. >> hey, bernie. get your people in line, bernie. since the elephant has been accusing sanders of sending supporters to disrupt trump rallies. >> donald trump is a pathologic liar. >> the "cbs overnight news" will be right back. it comes in oral rins

they're worried, though, about ohio, illinois, missouri, those are places that are similar to michigan, that it may be tighter, even though the public polls say 20 points oray not happen. >> you're telling me about hillary clinton possibly losing her home state. >> which home state. >> if i remember correctly, she was born and raised in illinois. >> she was. maybe not -- i mean, she lost it in 2008 to another person, not to spin you too much, but. >> i was going it to say, thanks very much. >> let me ask you about money. your candidate keeps raising money on the web. is she going to fund-raisers these day or no time. >> for the last week or two, she hasn't been. a week ago, radio city well ton john and katy perry, but nothing on her skid this week -- >> it's possible, but her rate has been lower than his for the last couple of months. which is saying something, which is not exactly as much as robby muck talks about being thrift fee, they're spending money. she is getting better, if they had not been trolly transparent, grassroots donors, and smaller contributions, average gone down a about over 900,000 contributors, but still way behind sanders however ma

the other midwestern states, ohio, illinois, missouri, all coming up, look a lot like michigan in terms of the demographics. >> do they still think they can win this? or mainly is the sanders campaign trying to make sure their message continues? >> i think if you ask bernie sanders he thinks he can win it. he's going to play to win it. but he's also making a difference regardless of what happens. he wants his message in there. on the clinton side of it they speak this is a march through the delegates. they need to collect enough delegates to get through to the nomination and they're focusing on that. they're not focusing necessarily on every state being a win. >> the republican conundrum in florida is really interesting to me. there are no poll that is show it's possible for ted cruz to winter thing. none. no matter what happens, right? from what i've read. who knows? maybe the polls are wrong. >> some have been. >> they have. but if marco rubio gets out, the conventional wisdom that gives it to trump. if he stays in, could it later be a wasted vote. i don't understand how you figure out what to do with florida if you're a republican. >> that's the bi

or excuse me. closed the gap between him and secretary clinton in this state and also in illinois. so i think -- i'm praying for a michigan miracle. >> a michigan miracle. >> yes. >> okay. bakari, let's say bernie sanders wins illinois and maybe even ohio. so where does that leave secretary clinton? >> oh, it still leaves her with a very good night. the delegate-rich state tomorrow night the democrats are fighting for is florida. it's 246 delegates up for grabs and i expect hillary clinton to have -- >> are you spinning, bakari? is that a spin? oh, it's still great. >> no. it's a fact. i mean, listen -- >> that's true. >> listen, it's a fact. she'll do well in north carolina and she'll do well in virginia. the democratic map from texas to florida all the way up to virginia will be owned by hillary clinton. and ohio, illinois and missouri are going to be very close. and after tomorrow, don, after tomorrow we only have three states left that are delegate rich. we only have new york, california and pennsylvania. so the map in the road for the nomination for bernie sanders, it slims down exponentially. >> angela, bernie sande

or whoever they nominate. >> let's talk about the tough part. ohio is one, missouri is historically against trade, here we are in illinois. michigan's tough.se, you've seen that. how do you deal with that? bernie sanders is known as an anti-trade guy, opposed to all the trade deals. you've been for most of them. you with are for tpp initially. how do you tell the working people trade is the enemy? >> i understand that. we've had a number of years experience now about what trade can and can't do in our globalized economy. so last night in ohio, i said, look, i want to set the record straight. yes, i did vote against the biggest multinational trade agreement when i was in the senate, it was called cafta. i voted against it. i've learned some things since the 1990s and i put that to work. i also said i hoped i would be able to support tpp. but i actually waited until i knew what was in it, and then i stated my opposition to it. >> you said it was exciting, innovative, cutting edge, high quality and high standard. >> before was finished of the i hoped with ecould deal with currency manipulation and a lot of the problems that our country and wo