-you know, as--as complex as the story is, this is a--this is an fbi success story in the end, mick andreas, who is the vice chairman and the--the heir-apparent, son of dwayne andreas, goes to jail. terry wilson, the head of one of the biggest divisions, goes to jail. mark whitacre, the--the informant in this case, goes to jail for a few different crimes, along with a group of other executives caught up in price-fixing, which actually wasn't one of the things that adm was doing. this goes back to the--to the dominoes; that adm named somebody, who named somebody. and ultimately there have been something like half a dozen folks who have gone to jail, far more who have paid criminal fines. as for corporations, this--i mean, this is the biggest white-collar conspiracy ever broken up by the government, i mean, ult--by--by almost any measure. ultimately, the government's collected some $2 billion in fines, and it's still going. c-span: you are from dallas; been with the new york times for 16 years; went to swathmore college. what's your beat at the new york times? >> guest: i have the greatest jo