let me introduce john schwartz of "usa today," mick hall efram of fortune. are you or are you not a lobbyist? >> for starters there is a legal definition of lobbyist and i am not one. >> okay. >> register as a lobbyist. you have to say i am a lobbyist. >> correct. >> we will get to why -- >> an undocumented lobbyist? >> well, i work in at vo cassie. i work in at vo cassie. >> we will get to the difference in a second. when one registers as lobbyist, what does that mean that you're not? what is the difference that -- >> my understanding, not an expert in election laws. to be fair, my understanding is how much time you spend interacting with members of congress -- >> a matter of time? >> it has to do with time, it has to do with how much money you put into things. my organization, we have a couple different form two non-profits, 501 c 3, 501 c 4, half of what we do is research, usually economic in nature, a lot of data, areal try to dig in and understand. >> the charity part of it? >> 501 c 3, traditional not for profit and 501 c 4, one is technically called e

our reporters, fortune magazine, mick hall efram and john schwartz of usa today this week on "press:hereood morning, everyone, i'm scott mcgruchl the average small tech start up in silicon valley or san francisco is more likely to have a gourmet chef or in-house pet sitter than it is to have an officer in charge of policy and governmental affairs, which is strange, considering all the attention and roadblocks washington or sacramento can throw in front of