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earlier in the show, i interviewed trump's former acting white house chief of staff, mick mulvaney. him about the description we heard from cassidy hutchinson about disengaging, trying to tell him about threats and he was sitting on the couch scrolling. here's part of what mulvaney said. >> i was texting with a colleague of mine who was in the west wing at the time, and i said look, was mark just completely incompetent or was he having a nervous breakdown, and the response was it was a little built of both. the west wing was clearly broken, clearly broken, and the testimony yesterday actually made me feel bad for some of the good people who were still there to have to work in that environment where the chief of staff was so obviously disengaged. >> in case you were not sure which of the guys with the last names that start with m who used to be white house chief of staff, that's the one who had the job before mark meadows. >> was mark completely incompetent or having a nervous response. the response was a little bit of both. >> they have some, you know, bad blood, you know, like many

trump's former chief of staff, mick mulvaney, rushing to hutchinson's defense, saying, quote, i know her. i don't think she is lying. so it's clear that the committee would like to speak with pat cipollone, the former white house counsel, but it is not exactly clear how they plan to compel him to cooperate. at this point, they're making it a very public showing of the fact that they would like him to do so voluntarily. the question is, do they put some legal weight behind it and formally issue him a subpoena? that could be complicated because as white house counsel, there are privilege issues involved in it. at this point, they're trying to work out those issues to find a way to set cipollone to tell the committee what he knows. >> ryan nobles, thanks so much. i'll be talking with mick mulvaney in the next hour of "the lead." >> joining us now to discuss is a member of the january 6th select committee, democratic congresswoman elaine luria of virginia. you told cnn after yesterday's hearing there's. no doubt in your mind that former president trump was involved in criminal activity.

. >> so many people like mick mulvaney said they found her very credible, but almost while she was still testifying character assassination came out. >> yeah, he said i don't even know her right now, she is nobody. and he uses that all of the time when he has someone he is trying to discredit. doesn't say anything about her credibility. today he continued his barrage. i think as harry and michael made a point, even if she was misinformed, she is telling what she heard. her credibility remains, you know, in tact if someone else told her this even if they were wrong. and she is there testified under oath and these deniers from the secret service have not yet under oath. maybe they will be, it will be interesting to see what they said. but i would take the fact that the president, the former president, is so actively trying to tear her down as a sign that they know how powerful her testimony was. she is 25 years old, barely out of college, first job essentially of any consequence at the white house. and she was very composed, very precise. very matter of fact. unflappable. that is one reaso

by the way, mick mulvaney tweeted last night that he basically believed cassidy hutchinson, right?who knows cassidy hutchinson would know that she didn't lie under oath. so there you have someone directly in the white house who did know cassidy hutchinson and who knew what she was doing and who had served as a character witness for her which again, makes us think she was under oath. there was no reason to believe and people who knew her have tweeted about this, that she was lying. so it seems like the important person to come forward is pat cipollone. she mentions him so often and mark meadows and that's who they would like to get and so far he's resisted all attempts and pat cipollone is someone who could corroborate many of the specific points becse heas many of thecific scenes that she recounts. she could corroborate exactly what she was saying. >> carol leonnig, luke broadwater, katty kay. >>> ahead for us, legal facing donald j. trump and how the select committee's hearings may be playing or moving the ball forward over at doj. stay with us. d over at doj. d over at doj. stay

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former acting white house chief of staff mick mulvaney also supporting hutchinson saying i know her. don't think she's lying. meanwhile, hutchinson said trump was furious, more people were not allowed near the stage at his rally before the attack, some apparently unable to get through the mags or metal detectors because they had weapons. >> i overheard the president say sig to the effect of no effing care if they have weapons, they are not there to hurt me, take the effing mags away. >> reporter: hutchinson testified that mark meadows and rudy giuliani wanted presidential pardons. giuliani denies t meadows did not immediately comment. and hutchinson provided new insight into the trump white house, describing the president leaving a trail of ketchup on the white house wall after attorney general bill barr declared there was no fraud in the election. >> i first noticed there was ketchup dripping down the wall and there's a shattered porcelain plate on the floor. the valet had articulated that the president was extremely angry at the attorney general's ap interview and had thrown his lu

mick mulvaney told cbs the explosive accusations from cassidy hutchinson were both compelling and very credible. mulvaney cited her testimony yesterday that the former president encouraged the riders to march to the capital, even knowing that they were armed. well another key witness is being asked to appear before the january 6th committee. the house panel investigating the capital riot issued a subpoena today to former white house counsel patsy pollini. civil laney is said to have tried to push back against former president trump and his allies in their efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election. he has already provided and informal interview to the committee tomorrow. judge can tangie brown jackson will make history as the first female african american supreme court justice. 51 year old will be sworn in as justice stephen breyer officially retires. jackson who clerked for bryer has been a federal judge since 2013. she was confirmed by the senate in april and will become the sixth woman justice ever. this will also mark the first time for women will serve on the court togethe

. >> and jon, we're also hearing tonight from the former chief of staff before mark meadows, mick mulvaney, who tweeted that he knows cassidy hutchinson and that he believes her. >> reporter: he said that and mulvaney said that the testimony was explosive and he predicted that others close to trump, as a result of this testimony, would be testifying themselves soon. >> jon karl leading us off here tonight. jon, thank you. >>> and one more question on this, so, let's bring in our chief justice correspondent pierre thomas, because this was a significant piece of testimony, pierre. cassidy hutchinson saying she was told that the former president lunged at that secret service agent in the president suv. curious what the secret service is saying about all of this tonight. >> reporter: david, the secret service so far is not commenting on specifics, but just informed me that they would like to respond under oath. two sources familiar with the investigation confirm that president trump had requested to go to the capitol on january 6th and that the secret service refused due to security concerns.

. >> so joe, another republican voice, mick mulvaney, the former acting chief of staff for president trump, former republican congressman from south carolina. this was his series of tweets yesterday. i'm not sure how today's hearing will establish that trump knew that he lost, indeed all the evidence is that he never accepted that. he said, i do wish that every person who thinks that trump really did win watched what we just saw. he said, i'm not sure what democrats accomplished today. some interesting side notes, but they had nothing to show that trump believed that he lost. in fact, they showed the exact opposite. they made the case that he probably should have known, but he said, that is different. >> well, you know, i'm a teacher, i'll tell you, there is no way anyone can tell me, i have a degree in political silence from ucla. noticing the tell me that he lost the election was up 600, 700, 800,000 votes that midnight, to not win the election, that it turned around. >> all right, that's joe, in california. this is robert of new york city, a democrat. good morning. >> hey, good mo

then we learned recently some of his insiders convinced him, mick mulvaney was one of them, who saide need to do this, and he got convinced out of it. how did his team convinced him out of it? this is a man who said i can build the wall and find a way to do it. what do we not know about the gun lobby and world that they managed to push donald trump away from his original position. >> the premise is flawed because i was in those conversations and he did talk about different measures, but they didn't come to the senate, they didn't reach his desk. a president signs into law the congress has the guts to put there. >> trevor: that's not true though. >> i was there after the parkland, valentine's day 2018 -- >> trevor: i'm asking how he got shifted from his position. >> and i flew to him -- with him to santa fe when children were killed there, high schoolers and two teachers there, and i learned people are very quick to say it's this and that problem. it's a spectrum, it's never one thing. >> trevor: completely. >> it's never one thing that can solve it. >> trevor: so nothing gets done. >

. >> mick mulvaney reacted this morning. >> i have been defending the president.ave seen the same speech given. i see him accused trying the foment violence but after yesterday and he knew that there were guns on property and that he still encouraged people to go to the capitol that changes my mind. >> interesting. mulvaney's mind seems to be changing. is this something that maybe could have an impact on other people's minds? >> right. so i don't think this is going to have an impact on the justice department investigation. they try to draw in the facts to see if they show and can proof that donald trump violated specific statutes of the u.s. criminal codes. however the question for the justice department and any prosecutor is what will a jury think. i think that until yesterday there was a really clear split and up in the air as to whether a jury would say donald ump nd a reae doubt tried to for example do something like incite the crowd. the testimony is interesting because she says that he wanted armed supporters to come into his area and he knew that they were

we saw mick mulvaney say before this over, we will likely see that agent in testimony as well as pat cipollone and perhaps mark meadows in some sort of testimony. there was this redirect from liz cheney saying you were in a room with them, the agent and pat cipollone where they talked about this incident, correct? she relayed those specifics. my point in this, where does this go? the committee is laying this ground work that the president was trying to force a takeover of that electoral process and perhaps laying a ground work for saditious. whether they can get there or not is damaging testimony to listen to the details of that day. >> neil: i'm thinking of the agent if this is all true refusing the president's demands that they go to the capitol. he's obviously looking at the president's safety and not stir ago hornet's nest. we can only surmise that. the president was fighting him on that. that is a surreal scene in and of itself. but i'm just wondering, you know, the temper part, we knew though aspects from the former president and his frustration with the process here. but did a

. >> stephen: mick mulvaney tweeted in response to the testimony he saw that meadows will have to comee on the justice department. not increase the pressure, but provide revelations the justice department can see as justification for the indictment? >> i certainly think so. we have these two investigations-- and again, i don't know what justice is doing or not doing, but assuming they're investigating, we have our investigation that's very public. this all kind of feeds together. and even though we are not the committee that goes out and indicts people criminally, we can bring forward important information. and i think the case we're making right now is the president knew that he had lost the election and he attempted to overcome the will of the american people. and, by the way, we never want to get in a position where we're just prosecuting last administrations. that's another thing you see in failed democracies. but when you try to overthrow the will of the people, and you try a coup in the united states government, you have to pay for that, period. that's what we require. ( applause

. >> republicans are also supporting hutchinson, including former white house chief of mick mulvaney was as i know her, she is not lying. also said that trump allegedly knew the crowd on the way to the capital was armed and he still convinced people to go. >> guns, pepper spray, body armor. >> and that could potentially open up donald trump to criminal exposure. that's why the department of justice is involved. tonight, an attorney -- a spokesperson for former chief former chief of staff mark meadows said he never sought out a pardon and an attorney for cassidy hutchinson said that she completely stands by a testimony from. stephen understanding that, david. but the committee saying why they would put forward without the secret service . if talk to them already. why not have that backed up without threatening the rest of her testimony? it seems like it does. >> where have reported that the secret service was never reached out to in the days leading up to hutchinson's testimony, which as many people scratching their heads because you have different stories here. we know that orenado w

. >> i think it's notable that former acting white house chief of staff mick mulvaney came out on twittererday saying he believed hutchinson's account. my guess before this is over we'll be hearing from ornato, engel. if cassidy is making this up, they'll need to say that. i know her, speaking of cassidy. i don't think she's lying. what does that signal to you? >> the first question, why was he so involved in the trump administration to begin with? one of the things that bugs me today is we sort of are saying, look at these stand up people and getting close to saying they're heroes when they were enablers of this guy for four years. i'm glad to see they're finding religion now and i give them credit for that, and what is he saying? he believes her? i think she is a very sincere, you know, very intelligent, also very composed woman who's done a great service here. what do i think about it? i think she's really described the guy. is every one of the things she said or all the details accurate? i don't know that. but the gist of it is, this was a guy who was out of control, who was willing t

talking about mick mulvaney one of the veterans with the new evidence does change things because it links trump to the armed violence in advance. he very simply and plainly lays out how and first i want to show it in two parts how in many other debates over donald trump, his old boss including debates over trump's at times violent speeches has previously defended his former boss. >> i have seen him accused of violence with no violence at all so i have been defending him. i have been defending him. >> his mind has changed and now he says in public because of the new evidence that trump new they were armed and trumped push them on anyway. >> after yesterday when she testified that he knew there were guns on property and he still encouraged people to go to the capital, that changes my mind. >> that changes his mind. he is not the ultimate arbiter that it striking because he held the same post as mark meadows who is now under investigation and condemnation is striking them for many reasons in his mind was changed specifically by testimony which is a type of evidence in a world of facts. many

mick mulvaney, telling cbs the explosive accusations from cassidy hutchinson were compelling and credibler testimony that the former president courage the writers to march to the capital, even knowing they were armed. or state officials are investigating a gun data breach that exposed personal information of every concealed carry permit holder in california. the exposed information included names dates of birth. gender race and the addresses of permit holders over the past 10 years, officials with the state department of justice say they're contacting people whose information was exposed and will offer them credit monitoring services. the doj says the breach is connected to an update of the state's 2022 firearms. dashboard total portal. several new gun control measures are set to go into effect tomorrow. california's extending its micro stamping requirement for handguns. that's one small engravings are made on spent cartridges for quicker police identification. the state is also expanding what weapons can legally be seized under gun violence, restraining orders. the new law adds ghost gun

. >> i also want to thank mick mulvaney who endorsed my campaign early on. he helped us raise some money. he is a great fiscal conservative. i also want to thank former south carolina governor and u.n. base nikki haley. >> and cnn projects another trump backed candidate will compete for u.s. senate seat from nevada, adam laxalt is grandson of the former governor and as well as senator. >> i'd like to thank president donald trump for not only believing in me, but for believing in nevada and leading an america first movement, a movement that is alive and well today here in nevada. >> laxalt will face the incumbent democrat in november. a win for him could help tip the balance of course in the republican's favor. >>> given economic and as well as security priorities, the white house says that joe biden will visit saudi arabia, israel and the west bank in july. sawudi stop is revising some ol controversies. joe biden had vowed to make saudi arabia the pariah. >> khashoggi was murdered and displeasured and i believe in the order of the crown prince and i would ma

former acting white house chief of staff mick mulvaney tweeted the video was stunning and more powerful than anything bennie or liz said. and a former democrat said that he was furious by what he saw and it will happen again if we don't do anything about it. and washington state democrat jayapal said i thought it was powerful because it put in the context of the struggles of the united states has been through since our earliest days and people standing up for country over party. i don't think that this is going to change the minds of my colleagues. unfortunately, i believe many of them know that the election wasn't stolen. >>> and then there was this, donald trump jr. tweeting democrats hate america and they hate you. the former president's eldest son saying democrats want to distract you with their sham partisan b.s. and republican elyse take fan nick says democrats are shamelessly trying to change the narrative with their witch hunt. house republicans are committed to the issues that matter to americans. and the twitter account posted nancy pelosi's sham political witch hunt is doctor

another former white house chief of staff mick mulvaney referring to those developments and that testimony yesterday as, quote, explosive, saying about hutchinson and her testimony, quote, i know her, i don't think that she is lying. so that is where we begin this morning with our cnn senior crime and justice reporter katelyn polantz. major revelations in her testimony yesterday. walk us through the key takeaways. >> really, poppy. this star witness, cassidy hutchinson, took us inside the white house, next to donald trump and his closest advisers on january 6th and her assessment of the president's behavior that day, she called it un-american. hutchinson was a close aide to the white house chief of staff and that position allowed her to bring to light conversations that she recalled where trump and others were clearly aware of his supporters in the crowd on january 6th, potentially breaking the law. one example of that was that remark you mentioned of donald trump knowing his supporters were armed, and wanting them to be let inside his rally perimeter because they weren't there to hurt him

if you have forgotten who mick mulvaney is, he was donald trump's former chief of staff and the republicans through. and video just into our newsroom from rome. the bishop of san francisco refused to give nancy pelosi communion because she supports abortion rights. she just got communion at the vatican. the pope does not handout communion and it is not clear he knew that she was in the audience. they did meet in private the night before. when he was the archbishop, he has really distributed communion to prevent the sacrament from being politicized. >>> on facebook you can reach me at scott mcgrew tv. >>> tomorrow a critical vote takes place on the oakland ace planned stand for harvard terminal. tomorrow, san francisco bay commissioners will either approve land for the new stadium. if the vote fails the stadium project is likely doomed. they will demand that voters can weigh in and that rally will happen at 10:30 this morning. >>> have you ever had the feeling that someone is watching you while you were watching a sport? >> just take this florida man who was playing golf as one onlooker got

here are some of those, mick mulvaney, mark he needs to stop this. congressman will timmons, the president needs to stop this. even donald trump jr., he needs to stop this. and reince priebus, tell them to go home. how significant are these messages? it's perplexing that meadows fought cooperation all this time and yet we have this treasure trove of text messages. >> these are reminders that mark meadows was the contiduit to donald trump. but mark meadows has baliled ou of these meetings and no consequences. everyone understood the rioters were acting for donald trump and donald trump was the only person capable of calling them off. that makes donald trump's inaction, his silence during those key 187 minutes that makes his silence more important, more inexp inexplicable. we've heard reporting saying that donald trump was gleeful what he saw. senator ben sasse, a republican, said he heard from senior white house officials that donald trump was thrilled with what he saw. we'll dig into this, i think, at these hearings next week. >> and it goes to the l

listen to what mick mulvaney told jake tapper today. >> if you take what cassidy hutchinson said at faceue, then donald trump knew that the protesters had weapons and encouraged them to go to the capitol anyway. that was stunning to me. >> and not just to him. perspective from the "new york times" foreign affairs columnist, tom freedman, author of countless books, why we need a green revolution and why it can renew america. been a bit more than 24 hours since cassidy hutchinson testified. does it feel like a tipping point to you politically or legally? what do you make of your testimony? >> you know, anderson, i can't speak to the legal tipping point. feels politically that i felt over the last several months that more and more what i'm going to call principled republicans, moderate republicans, were saying to each other, you know, i really hope donald trump doesn't run. he really shouldn't run. it would not be good if he runs. and i think if there's been a tipping point, it's that a lot more of them have listened to this testimony, especially the fact that the president allegedly encour

. >> so joe, another republican voice, mick mulvaney, the former acting chief of staff for presidenttrump, former republican congressman from south carolina. this was his series of tweets yesterday. i'm not sure how today's hearing will establish that trump knew he lost, indeed, all the evidence is that he never accepted that. he said, i do wish that every person who thinks trump really did win watched what we just saw. he said, i'm not sure what democrats accomplished today. some interesting side notes. they had nothing to show that trump believe that he lost. in fact, they showed the exact opposite. they made the case that he probably should have known, but he said, that is different. >> well, you know, i'm a teacher. i'll tell you there is no way anyone can tell me [inaudible] i have a degree from political science from ucla. no one's gonna tell me that he lost the election when he is up 600, 800,000 votes at midnight. the election turned around. >> all right, let's join california. this is robert of new york city. a democrat, good morning. >> hey, good morning. thank you to c-spa

>> look, it's not a small that i think th-- thing that mick mulvaney came out in support of cassidy hutchinsonsn't think she's lying. there are people who support this young woman who's not even close to 30. they know she has no reason to lie about what she saw. she was part of the heartbeat of the west wing, and i'm of course no stranger to that kind of thing. i remember on capitol hill working for two different republican members of congress sharing sentiments like that when i was frustrated. one big line she said which kind of struck me was he needs to care, and she was of course talking about her direct boss, chief of staff mark meadows. the reality is this. whether or not it moves the needle with trump supporters or not is not the question here. it's whether or not people start to back candidates like governor ron desantis with more sort of enthusiasm, the long-time sentiment in the republican party has been a love for our governors, of course, those who get things done. and now with this picture of an unhinged trump it bolsters the image. it helps too that trump endorsed candidates are l

mick mulvaney told cbs the explosive accusations from cassidy hutchins in were compelling and credible. mulvaney cited her testimony that the former president encourage the rioters to march to the capital, even knowing they were armed. well house speaker nancy pelosi received communion today during a mass at st peter's basilica there in rome. pelosi who is barred from receiving communion in san francisco. took the sacrament at a mass that was said by pope francis back in may, you may remember the archbishop of san francisco salvator courted leonie bar pelosi due to her stance on abortion. the pope does not give out communion during mass, and he also does not have control over who receives it. we had the pleasure of attending mass this morning. uh with his holiness and many, many many leaders of the church and st francis's name always reminds me of st francis saying , preach the gospel sometimes use words. pelosi does receive communion at a parish in washington, d. c where the archbishop there allows it. california is investigating a gun data breach that exposed personal information of

just take a listen to what mick mulvaney, the former acting chief of staff, had to say yesterday. >>ever really thought until yesterday that he was even capable of inciting the riot. but if he knew those weapons were there, and said they're not here for me, let's go down to the capitol, that is problematic for the president. >> reporter: so, the potential legal ramifications for trump and his allies are really starting to come into public view. but it is very clear, poppy, thatvery much so, and maybe som ofnary most important answers still to come. melanie, thanks very much. let's discuss can chief legal analyst jeffrey toobin. he should comply with these, but a lot of folks haven't so far. i wonder how far his privilege would go. would he be able to -- if they limit the scope, are they able to cite privilege on direct conversations with the president? >> this is a complicated question because he's a government lawyer -- >> not the president's lawyer. >> it's very clear that a private lawyer in communication with his client about legal matters, that's privileged and there's no -- the

i was not good at saying, like, mick mulvaney who is a georgetown graduate, one of the flaws he has, and he has a lot of them, but he is very, very blunt. i, mean he would say, well, that's just wrong. you are wrong. i don't know what it was. i was just saying, he was never good at telling a group of people sitting around a conference table, you are wrong. i want to use questions to try to prove to them that maybe their facts weren't reliable. if i had been as tough as you,, and my mom did not tell me -- she probably did tell me it was easier to keep up with the truth, but i wasn't paying attention. i was doing something else, so i don't remember that. >> there are so many issues that we didn't get to tonight. i was hoping we might. everything from the environment, you touched on health care a little bit. so many others. so, we are just going to have to bring it back and continue this conversation at some point. all around. our motto, our slogan at the institute of public ticks and public service as, public service is a good thing. politics can be, too. the past couple of years, that

mick mulvaney, a former top trump administration . white house aide says tuesday's testimony changed his mind about defending donald trump against charges that he incited a riot. mulvaney told cbs the explosive accusations and testimony by former white house aide cassidy hutchinson were very credible. veiny cited her testimony that the former president encouraged the riders to march to the capital, even knowing that they were armed with weapons. vice president kamala harris is attending democratic party fundraisers in the bay area. today she landed at san francisco international yesterday, where she was greeted by maryland and breed and oakland mayor libby schaaf. the vice president will attend democratic party fundraisers today in los datos and in san francisco. time is our 406, a man and a woman were arrested on suspicion. they were involved in a shooting last weekend at the west oakland bart station. on tuesday, a bart police officer was patrolling the montgomery street bart station in san francisco when they recognize the suspect

joining us now is mick mulvaney, president trump's former chief of staff.g it today? i what did you think as you are watching it today?— what did you think as you are watching it today? i thought it was very compelling — watching it today? i thought it was very compelling today _ watching it today? i thought it was very compelling today on - watching it today? i thought it was very compelling today on the - watching it today? i thought it wasj very compelling today on the issue of the election itself. one of the subtext has been to re—litigate whether or not president trump actually won the election in 2020. if you watch any of the hearings, especially from today and the first one from ten days ago, any reasonable person would assume that president trump trump lost the election. the case has been made by republicans. dilbert was the republicans. dilbert was the republican attorney general under two separate presidents. —— build bar. to that extent, it has been a very successful hearing i think for the democrats.— the democrats. that is really the auestion i

joining us right now is former white house chief of staff, form earn omb director, mick mulvaney. thanks very much for being here. >> thanks for having me back, maria. good to see you. maria: so what do you make? exxon mobil pushing back on joe biden's attacks and we know that he continues to say that there are leases that the oil companies are to blame for not taking advantage of those leases and putting more production on the market. what do you say? >> yeah, if you read the letter, it's not surprising. it's exactly what you and i talked about probably a year ago when oil prices first started to go up which is how do we deregulate. you read the letter, says look, please relieve us of the jones act, permit more oil pipelines, do the regulatory things that the trump administration did that the biden administration could do to make it easier to get the oil that we produce to market. karine jean-pierre says let's refine more. because of government regulation we haven't had a refinery built in the country since the 1970s so to a certain extent it's not surprising, we've been talking

it was interesting to start to see on social media, some people you might not expect like mick mulvaneys, just to clarify, given her position, there was probably no one closer to meadows than cassidy hutchinson, as an s.a.p., former aide, she'd be privy to everything that meadows did say and heard. and my guess is that before this is over, we will be hearing testimony from onnado, ingie and meadows. if cassidy is making this up. if she is they'll have to corroborate. i know her, i don't think she's lying. >> wow. >> again, that's the chief of staff loyal to donald trump wrote the infamous "wall street journal" op-ed who said if donald trump loses he'll go away, of course that goes down in infamy. we talked about the witness tampering we heard at the end. congresswoman liz cheney praised witnesses for having the courage to testify before the panel. and showed statements allegedly from trump associates before giving their depositions to the committee. >> our committee commonly asks witness connected to mr. trump administration or campaign, whether they've been contacted by any of their fo

. >> brian: so mick mulvaney tweeted out this closing statements are now cleated.t interesting. but as a d.c. insider i'm not the targeted audience. i wonder how many normal americans people i assume dems want to be watching are engaged. as jonathan turley says the problem is there was know opposing counsel. what are they trying to prove? are they trying to prove that donald trump is a horrible person you might get a majority to say that or actually show that a crime was committed that's where the institutional connects -- insticial connects really mount up. the question is are you trying to establish something legal or something political? right now it seems as though it is political but if you find a way to charge donald trump with a felony, which i don't think exists or else it would have been presented there, that means he would be prevented from running. >> pete: if they had the evidence. last night we would have had a place to point to it and they didn't. they rehashed the same stuff, and it was political. it was a one-sided show trial. we'll have to endure m

>> well, having an endorsement of former chief of staff mick mulvaney, former governor nikki haley.again today. i have a solid record in the congressional district. this is a swing district my opponent lost in 2018 to a democrat. for the first time in 40 years. i have is a great record. i have never voted to raise taxes. my opponent voted for democrats for the highest tax hike in south carolina history. not once but twice. it was for the gas tax. so, when we say hey joe biden did that you can say katie arrington helped him. guess what? i have can trusted by military. my opponent leaked classified information about our military and had our top secret security clearance suspended at the military can't trust her, then why should voters? i'm very cautiously optimistic about the election tomorrow. i expect a solid double digit win. and we are going to keep campaigning the next # 4 hours and pull out a giant win tomorrow night at 7:00 p.m. >> ainsley: i know you criticized president trump after january 6th in some interviews. and i think he was upset about that. but you didn't vote to imp

and we also have a tweet from mick mulvaney, and he says in this, that one thing is clear in his mindadows will get indicted for his failure to appear. my guess is that he ultimately shows, let us bring in a member of the journalistic committee, stephanie murphy, mark leno, mark meadows looms large. where does the committee get him to stand? >> we really hoped he would have done his patriotic duty and provided the information to the committee, directly, and come in, and, to date, he has not, but as the chairman said, it is not too late for anybody who has refused to cooperate, has had memory failures, has had information that they have suddenly recalled to come in and speak to this committee, the invitation, and the door, is still wide open to mr. meadows. everyone should remember, whether they choose to cooperate with us or not, we have interviewed thousands of witnesses, we have received tens of thousands of documents, including text messages, and other communications, so we are putting together this picture, whether they choose to be a patriot and participate in this investigation

. >> for what it's worth, mick mulvaney, the former white house chief of staff. >> or acting white housetweeting a few minutes -- >> tweeting a few minutes ago that one thing is clear in my mind, meadows will get indicted for his failure to appear and my guess is that he ultimately shows. for whatever that is worth, it's a sign that even among these people who are kind of, you know, somewhat in trump world, the mindset, this is extraordinarily damaging to the people who are thnot showing up >> we should note that mulvaney and meadows were freedom caucus, house members. they have a bond. i assume they do have a relationship. >> they have a relationship, but mulvaney got thrown out of that crowd as well. >> scott perry is the current chairman of the freedom caucus who was involved in all of this. cassidy hutchinson made a brave choice today. will other republicans make their choice or stay there, and if they stay there, what does that tell you in the sense that she was one of them. she worked for steve scalise. she was a member of the house leadership team as a staff member. he goes to wor