but mick mulvaney will talk more about this.to think that the verdict s essentially was to clear the way for other rnc nominees. i am not sure that's going to be the case. what do you think? >> i think i would never agree with mick mulvaney on anything. however, i would say -- >> there you have it, okay? >> the closing part of this hearing, at least for now in primetime, it's not going to put the prosecutorial nail in the coffin on trump. they are a congressional committee and it will end on that political note, which is to point out what he was thinking and have people saying that he didn't want to do anything. i think that does end on a very strong important fact finding note, but it's political. it's not a prosecutorial final note. >> we will come back. doug is like, oh, i have something to say about this issue. stick around, everyone. coming up, all of the fake trump electors in one state part of a plan to subvert the will of the voters got put on notice. if i were them, maybe i'd be looking for a lawyer asap. plus, the stev

go mick mulvaney, thanks.>> critics of these hearings say they're a waste of time with nothing new to show. but i have someone here who served on legal teams and both impeachment teams against trump, including the one -- what does he see from the committee's work, and what will he be watching for thursday night? that's next. one question hangs pretty well over the january six hearings. will any of the evidence leave the justice department to indict trump? you heard mick mulvaney say why his expectations were ♪ "shake your thang" by salt n pepa when you're tired of looking at your tired old bath, we fit your style, with hundreds of design options. bath fitter. it just fits. visit bathfitter.com to book your free consultation. if you have age-related macular degeneration, there's only so much time before it can lead to blindness. but the areds 2 clinical study showed that a specific nutrient formula can help reduce the risk of dry amd progression. ask your doctor now about an areds 2 supplement. hybrid work is h

i watch bill barr, i watched mick mulvaney, i questioned them both in hearings, especially mick mulvaneyit's a new tour. it's a kind of self-righteous tour that all these people are going on to try and rebuild an image that got tarnished, incredibly tarnished. >> i have to add to that senator. you can't serve in that administration without coming out in a phd in cowardice analytics. in 2020 when i was trying to recruit every single senior trump official, the first motivation in saying no was fear. another motivation was they didn't want to lose out on money-making prospects in trump world, especially if he came back one day. one of the things we're seeing now is a different type of fear, fear they're going to be prosecuted. and people starting to change their tune. i said this during break. also perversely, some of them saw cassidy hutchinson became a hero and a lot of them left the trump administration being villainized by the american public. >> they could have done it earlier. >> they see oh, i can be a hero on tv. >> i would be curious for the elected official at the table. is it wis

what did you think about what you heard from mick mulvaney there? >> well, you know, i -- mick is an interesting guy. every time i talked to him, he's been a straight shooter. i think he was remarkably revealing more than a lot of other people who have been in that committee room about what went on inside. this question of executive privilege and the justice department going to are to take a test case, there is no question about that. because former president trump is invoking executive privilege. we heard from a number of people, and pat cipollone's testimony, deposition to the january 6th committee, whenever the question came up what did you say to the president, what did the president say to you, he wouldn't answer that. he answered a lot of other questions. and we now have learned that both marc short and greg jacob, two aides to vice president pence, when they were talking to the federal grand jury, when anything ever came up about what did you say because they were in that meeting where the president was reportedly pressing mike pence to, you k

today we learned that steve mnuchin and mick mulvaney have testified to the committee. mike pompeo may do so at the end of the week. why are these former cabinet officials coming forward? what reason do they have for coming in and sharing what they know with the committee this week? >> well i think the committee has turned its sights on a lot of ways -- on post january 6th. we saw little bit in the most recent hearing that, up into, now we are talking about the lead out that donald trump's effort to overturn the election and then what he did on january 6th to essentially nothing while the violence you know overtook the capitol. now they want to look to the day after, the week after, and get a sense of what was really going on in the white house. and i think we've heard some testimony about the seriousness in which some cabinet members took invoking the 25th amendment, which would be unprecedented and scary in a way. but i think they want to shore up that information. how serious are these talks really get? what did these cabinet members, what was a conversation like? wh

and questioned them both in hearings especially, mick mulvaney and others and i think there is a lotit is a new tour, kind of a self- righteous tour that all of these people are going on to try to rebuild an image that got tarnished incredibly tarnished. with the things. >> i have to add to that, you can't serve in the administration without coming out with a phd in cowardice analytics, i can tell you i witnessed it at every single stage and in 2020 when i was trying to recruit every single senior official to oppose his reelection the first motivation in saying no was fear, a lot of them were afraid to be intimidated but another motivation was they didn't want to lose out on moneymaking prospects in trump world especially if he came back one day one of the things we are seeing now is a different type of fear, fear they will be prosecuted and people are starting to change their tune and i hate to say it and i said this to you during the break, perversely some of them saw cassidy hutchinson become a hero and a lot of them left the trump administration being hellenized. and now they say

today, trump's former chief of staff mick mulvaney also met with the congressional investigation. nbc news caught up with him on his way to thet interview. >> what do you plan to tell the committee y today? >>te the truth. how about that for starters? >> and you were asked to come in or did you volunteer to come in? >> i was asked to come in. >> subpoena or no? >> i was asked to come in. >> i was honestly just asked to come in. you will remember that mick mulvaney, wore a variety of different hats during the trump administration, starting off as director of theni office of management and budget, to a short stint of trump's chief of staff, culminating as being the special envoy to northern ireland. but the night of the january 6th riot, mr. mulvaney resigned his position telling cnbc at the time that heti called up secrety of state pompeo and told him, quote, i can't do it. i't can't stay. mick mulvaney also recently said that he believes cassidy hutchinson and the other former white house officials who have testified. and it is against that backdrop that mick mulvaney testified be

do we know if mick mulvaney is with the committee now, if he's still testifying? >> reporter: we do. our sources tell us, mulvaney is in the room with investigators right now. mulvaney is someone who was once a loyal member of the trump administration, served as his acting chief of staff, and has now become a pretty vocal critic of the way the former president handled everything leading up to and on january 6th. his insight might be a little bit different than some of the other members of the trump cabinet that they're trying to talk or have already talked to. another person they're interested in speaking with is former secretary of state mike pompeo. pompeo acknowledged today on fox that he is engaged with the committee about a possible interview. we thought it could happen as soon as this week. it looks like those negotiations are ongoing. but we know the committee has spoke to a number of cabinet officials, including the former acting secretary of defense, chris miller. they've also spoken to eugene scalia, bill barr, jeffrey rosen, and the former treasury secre

here's what former trump acting chief of staff mick mulvaney told us last night. >> i know pat. i worked very closely with pat for 15 months, actually more than that, when i was in the white house in the west wing. and pat will tell the truth. there is no question about it. will he corroborate what cassidy hutchinson had said? will he counter what she said? i don't know. but i do know that pat cipollone is an honorable guy and he will be telling the truth so help him god. >> i am joined tonight by a man who knows what it will be like for pat cipollone, john dean. also with us, jim schultz, who worked in the white house counsel's office under then-president trump. thank you for being with us tonight. john, i have to start with you. how does this pat cipollone moment compare to what you went through in 1973? >> well, i think it's very different. i was very inclined to testify. i was actually trying to end a cover-up that was ongoing. it was more than just a bungled burglary that had happened at the watergate but rather a whole sequence of elicit activity that needed to be explaine

mick mulvaney will be able to share what was the president doing or not doing and shed more light on was like in those fearful hours while the insurrection was goingn. laura: thank you. a u.s. congressional committ investigating the arms industry says guns manufacturers earn more than $1 billion from the sale of semiautomatic weapons over the last decades. some have accused them of putting profits over people as they grill the ceo's of weapons manufacturers following grim mass shootings in texas and new york. a month after president barden signed a bipartisan gun reform law. house democrats want to go even further and ban assault weapons. from around the world, at least four people died in the philippines after a 7.0 magnitude earthquake struck. landslides have been reported and many buildings and roads of been damaged. a historical world heritage site has been destroyed. it was felt as far as 180 miles in manila. emmanuel macron has coda sized african leaders to the war in ukraine. he is in cameroon and spoke about what he called the hypocrisy of some leaders denying the conflict in

i know mick mulvaney very well and i've covered him throughout my time covering the trump white house i think the difference with him and some of the other people that came to cassidy hutchinson's defense, all of them have already cut ties within trump world. and aren't really -- they don't really have any political ramifications of speaking out at least directly from any ties that they have with trump. but where we see republican lawmakers and others really engrained in the republican party, donald trump is still the most influential republican right now in the country. and so as much as i think that mick mulvaney and others who were in the white house that day are saying that you need to pay attention, we saw liz cheney as well, the leader of this investigation really directing most of the questioning from the committee, but at the same time, these are all people that have been ex-communicated from trump world. so i look at the bigger picture to ask republicans particularly lawmakers who are really the key h here, most are staying firm in their loyalty and are hesitant to speak out.

meanwhile, one of trump's top aides, former chief of staff mick mulvaney said out loud this evidence damaged trump so much that he and the party are facing a kind of drag for the next two elections if not more. >> folks in my party are looking at donald trump as damaged, and something that might weigh down the party going into the midterms and into 2024. >> just like the top lawyer, that's the top aide. he was the number one official if the trump white house, talking about trump being damaged. and if you're checking, he just said that just now himself. it is not hearsay. i want to bring in your experts. neal katyal is former acting solicitor general for the obama administration. he may tell us about the swiss cheese holes of exceptions but that may be late, late in the segment, because i did that once in law school, and it was tough. and legal writer for "the new york times" magazine, emily bazalon. neal, let's start with this term, because it has this grandeur of the law, and we are a legalistic culture here in america. when people -- i don't mean just denialists, but people hear, t

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when you look at this process, and we show mick mulvaney -- loyal trump aide. people could get into the problems with him. what does it el you early in the process he wasn't around, and now the committee has spoken to the public, the process is playing out, he doesn't want out. he apparently wants in. >> well, it may be even more to the point, cassidy hutchinson has spoken to the american people and the committee, and it makes it a lot harder when you have someone who has come forward and named you as someone with direct information who was in the room in discussions that go directly to what the president said, did, or thought. and so what it really suggests is the committee's done an excellent job using the platform they have and the way in which they have been pulling out their witnesses so that they get witnesses that now are kind of backed into a corner, because they already have someone who's put them in the room, said this was a person with knowledge, and then can now call the people and say, is she telling the truth or not? >> well, as is so often the ca

this afternoon, former acting chief of staff, mick mulvaney, appeared for a closed-door deposition that lasted about two and a half hours. >> when i get until the committee today? >> the truth, how about that for start? >> and where you asked to come in or did you volunteer to come in? >> i was asked to come in. >> subpoena or no? >> i honestly just was asked to come in. >> were you in concert than it but he in the white house when the type heard of december of january 2020? >> january 2021? during the time period that they focused on the committee has been focusing on? >> i haven't talked anybody in the white house in a long time. >> mulvaney of course served as chief of staff from late 2018 until march 2020. he then became special envoy to northern ireland. he resigned in the aftermath of the insurrection. former secretary of state, mike pompeo, also on the committees list, and today he confirmed that negotiations have been underway. >> we've had discussions with them about potentially appearing before them. we are trying to find a way out. >> and there is this new intriguing twist fr

>> just into nbc news, our capitol hill team is reporting former acting trump chief of staff mick mil mulvaney is meeting with the january 6th committee today for a virtual taped deposition. nbc's ali vitali and devlin, kyle cheney politico reporter and lisa ruben, legal analyst for the rachel maddow show. >> mick mulvaney has spent time in the white house. he was the former acting chief of staff prior to mark meadows. he stayed close with trump world after he left that role, but by and large, after the insurrection, he was critical of the former president. so, of course, they're going to want to ask him about the mack macinations of trump world. i think the larger thing here, too, lindsey, this is supposed to be a pause period from a public perspective for the january 6th committee. what we're seeing now, though, is those words that congresswoman liz cheney left us with at the end of the last hearing saying subpoenas are going out, the dam is breaking of people wanting to come forward and talk to the committee, that actually seems like it could be true, especially as we see more reports that

mick mulvaney, the former acting white house chief of staff, he had spoken.t mean when you put all of these names together? it really is all about the 25th ae amendment. whether that conversation was taking place on whether the cabinet should step in and try to remove donald trump from power or somehow take the reins of the administration of the democracy away from him, that is a big question for the house select committee. we already know that they did speak to gene scalia, another cabinet member, what we learned is he was asking trump to call a cabinet meeting and trying to get the president to say the election was not stolen and that it was the end. back to you. >> it was interesting because from the testimony that we heard from the likes of kaitlin hutchinson where she said it was the threat of the 25th amendment being invoked that really triggered the president to go out and finally persuaded him to make some of those videos calling on the rioters to go home. thank you so much for that reporting so elliott williams, out of all of the list of people who w

now they're hearing from other people in the capitol, that mick mulvaney was an adviser on northern island, but previously had been acting chief of staff. but they also spoke to steve mnuchin and trying to speak to pompeo. some of the issues are asking about the 25th amendment, where the cabinet work together to remove the president from office. i'm curious why that matters here. definitionally, those discussions took place after january 6th. so, why go into that? >> yeah, well, the committee has a very broad responsibility here. remember, this is not the justice department. they are not trying to build a criminal case. they're trying to understand all the facts and circumstances surrounding what happened on january 6th. and one of the things that they want to understand is what the president's state of mind was. and while some of those cabinet officials may not have been directly interacting with the president on january 6th and the lead up to the january 6th, they may have insight into what the president's mental state was, and whether they had concerns about his ability to governor. and

the committee is hearing from another top trump aide, former acting white house chief of staff mick mulvaney. in fact, you can see him here arriving for his deposition earlier this afternoon. mulvaney, who was the u.s. special envoy to northern ireland on january the 6th resigned the day after the insurrection. here's what he told our colleagues at cnbc at the time. >> i called mike pompeo last night and left him a note and told him i would be resigning. i can't do it. i can't stay. it's a nothing thing. it doesn't affect the outcome. it doesn't affect the transition, but it's what i've got, right? and it's a position i enjoy doing, but you can't do it and i wouldn't be surprised to see more of my friends resign in the next 24 to 48 hours if they did. if those who choose to stay and i have talked to a couple of them because they are concerned that the president might put someone in to replace them that could make things even worse. >> claudia rosales and msnbc legal analyst joyce vance and former u.s. attorney and law professor at the university of alabama and katty kay for bbc studios and a

you know that people were begging him and calling him, mick mulvaney texted, tell him to stop it. know about all the texts from fox personalities and the rest. what is your response? >> it's clear to me that former president trump was derelict in his duty. he failed to act. he had a responsibility to ensure that this mob that he incited was disbursed and he should have been doing everything possible to make sure that that happened, whether it was giving statements, whether it was providing federal support to the officers that were battling this mob. and it's clear from what i've heard and what i've heard about what we're going to see tonight that was not the case. and the opposite, that he enjoyed what he was watching. so i look forward to seeing evidence of that. >> so we know that one of his supporters was shot while trying to break into the speaker's gallery, or the house chamber rather. officer brian sicknick died after the attack and several other police officers there that day, presumably traumatized, died by suicide. how much of that blood is on donald trump's hands do you

>> i was asked to come in. >> mick mulvaney resigned on the night of the capital insurrection. at the time, he was serving in northern ireland after mr. trump replaced him as a chief of staff with mark meadows. as he was leaving, he told reporters he hasn't spoken to anybody from the trump white house days in a long time, as he put it. mike pompeo now confirms he is also in talks with the january 6th committee to possibly testify. today he told foxnews he is still trying to figure out whether he will do it. >>> in the meantime, the january 6th chairman says the committee has finalized a system to share evidence and witness transcripts with the justice department for its ongoing criminal investigation. >>> speaker pelosi gears up for a potential trip to taiwan. china's president with a stern warning today. the threat he delivered it to the united states. does the rhetoric match the reality? >>> north korean dictator kim jong-un says he's got nukes and he's ready to use them in military conflict. now his closest neighbor, his u.s. allies responded to the threat. >>> and a mcdonal

cnn learned that former acting white house chief of staff mick mulvaney is testifying today.has also interviewed former treasury secretary steve mnuchin and could get a closed-door deposition from trump's secretary of state mike pompeo before the week is over. these latest high-level trump officials joining into this investigation is pretty astounding. several other who is have been in the hot seat have been put there by the january 6th committee. so what were their discussions about possibly invoking the 25th amendment to remove trump from office? let's discuss with legal analyst and former new york city prosecutor paul kallen. good to see you. when you look at the many people of interest who were once inside the white house, close to the former president, who the committee is finding cooperation, what are some of the questions you suppose are being asked of them in terms of whether invoke ing the 25th amendment was in serious consideration. >> it certainly sounds like they are looking at the stability of president trump. if you're looking at the 25th amendment was invoked,

on thursday, mick mulvaney who once served as donald trump's acting chief of staff, sat down with an interview with the committee. the associated press has also confirmed that former treasury secretary, stephen mnuchin, was recently interviewed by the committee and other former cabinet members. they are in negotiations to do the same. yet, there are some things that neither the justice department nor the january six committee may ever find out. the washington post reported this week that even more testimony and text messages sent and received by federal employees around the time of the insurrection were deleted. they may be gone forever. this latest news involves the phone records of former acting homeland security secretary, chad wulf, and his acting deputy secretary ken cuccinelli. the situation closely resembles the recent revelations of the secret service may have also deleted and failed to preserve text messages that may be relevant to the january six investigation. including, from the phones of agents who were signed to donald trump on the day of the insurrection. for more on t

. >> the january 6th committee meets with former trump acting chief of staff mick mulvaney. the doj will finally get its hands on the enormous collection of evidence. >>> also tonight, it's been a very good week for president biden with some major victories in congress while republicans were doing the usual, like voting against veterans and american technology. >>> plus, the republican embrace of christian nationalism proves they do not know their history. we've seen this story before and it doesn't end well. >>> and trump is playing host to the big saudi golf tournament this weekend insulting 9/11 families in the process. trump actually defended the saudis saying, quote, nobody's gotten to the bottom of 9/11. seriously. we begin tonight with a major development in the duelling january 6th investigations. the house select committee has agreed to a formal path to share evidence and witness transcripts with the justice department as it escalates its own investigation. first reported by politico chairman bennie thompson confirmed the agreement on a template for evidence and wit

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mick mulvaney said they are very interested in the false claims of election fraud and their access to the white house >> that sort of inner circle of people who has been described as others known as the crazies, how did they get the access they did when they did? >> reporter: former dhs secretary chad wolf. "washington post" reporting that text messages from wolf and his deputy ken cuccinelli were lost from their government devices. wolf said he handed over his phone intact when he resigned after january 6th. meanwhile, the house minority leader, kevin mccarthy, who cassidy hutchinson said was among one of the leaders who pleaded for trump to call supporters off, claim he doesn't remember calling her. >> if i talked to her, i don't remember it. if it was coming up here, i don't think i wanted a lot of people coming up to the capitol. but i don't remember the conversation. >> reporter: and today is scheduled to be the last day for the house of representatives before they leave on their long august recess. and that means the committee is not expected to have any public work until septem

mick mulvaney, mnuchin, we're told that they are lining up to testify. do you think this shows that the january 6 hearings have been a success? >> absolutely. the dam is breaking as liz cheney said. this shows how successful the hearings have been. the committee has broken through to the public and has enough street cred to get top trump officials to testify including mick mulvaney. big reason is that the department of justice has been enforcing some of the subpoenas. it was a big deal to charge and convict steve bannon for ghosting the committee. and i think that people are taking notice. at least everyone not named peter navarro are taking notice. ironically bannon's attempts to kill the committee only made it stronger and more feared. it is amazing how a pair of handcuffs can suddenly give potential witnesses a much needed attitude adjustment. >> david, thank you for joining us. >>> right now all of washington is wondering where arizona's kyrsten sinema stands on the surprise climate and economic bill. >>> plus president biden urging congress to pass

mick mulvaney talked about the questions the committee wanted answered. >> why did i communicate, why did i say what i said? i sent some tweets and texts on january 6th. they want to talk about that. i was fairly heavily involved in the trump campaign. they want to know about the discussions i had leading up to the election day and the discussions right after the election day and there were some questions toward the end, general questions about how a white house might run. >> according to the associated press, former officials, including john ratcliffe and d.a. secretary chad wolf are also in talks with committee. it comes as "the washington post" broke the news that january 6th text messages from wolf and his deputy at the time of missing, echos of secret service. they say the attorney general knew five months ago those texts were lost but never told congresses. wolf and cuccinelli tweeted about it this morning, both saying they went missing after they returned their phones. ali vitali joins us. ali, more and more information coming in all the time. more and more people coming in, in

. >>> another former trump whous aide, mick mulvaney, speaking with the committee today. our team the only ones to catch up with him on the way in. >>> we're going inside that prisoner swap deal. the latest on any direct talks between the u.s. and russia and how soon paul whelan and brittney griner could be home as we go one-on-one with national security spokesperson john kirby. i'm hallie jackson in washington on this thursday afternoon. carol lee over at the white house, jake ward posted up for us in san francisco, our business reporter. carol, let me start with you. this is time number two we're hearing from the president today on the economic news of the day. >> reporter: that's right, hallie. what you're seeing is not just the president but across the administration, a number of officials are out talking about the economy today addressing these gdp numbers. this is an effort to try to shape the narrative. part of what you're hearing from the president, you might be hearing bad news about the economy, but it's not that bad. he's also saying this is no surprise, that t

me see if i can play for our viewers with the former acting chief of staff to president trump, mick mulvaney, said. watch. >> the one thing i guess that was missing, john, was that if you go to a deposition, there's gonna be another side. and it was no other side. they're all questions by the committee. designed to try and find out stuff then mike mike president trump looked that. no one was a scandal they're side of the questions that might make present trump look good. but that's fine. it just reaffirms in my mind that the committee is politically biased. >> what can you tell us about the committee interview with mick mulvaney? we kind of questions do you ask someone who incited right and try to stay in power, and try to make him look good? >> let me first preface it by, saying i'm not going to response any detail because i wasn't even there, i wasn't other committee meetings at the time that that interview took place. no one's trying to make anybody look bad or look good. we are just trying to get to the truth of what happened. and i have to assume that that is some kind of preemptive pan

today it was former acting white house chief of staff, mick mulvaney. at the time, he had been serving overseas. but he has not been shy about what he saw as a dysfunctional executive branch. >> the west wing was broken. it was not functioning properly. >> and the committee is really moving her up the totem pole, from assistant to some of the highest positions in government. they've interviewed trump secretary of the treasury, steve mnuchin, who is one of only four cabinet secretaries to serve for the entire trump administration. we know that former director of national intelligence john ratcliffe is in talks, as is former acting homeland security secretary chad wolf and former secretary of state and potential 2024 candidate mike pompeo, who had this to say on fox. >> as i always did when i was in service to america, i'm happy to cooperate with things that are fair and transparent and deliver good outcomes to the american people. >> of course seconds later, he added this part. >> it's been a monkey court. it's been a circus. it's been totally unfair. >>

joining me now is donald trump's former acting white house chief of staff, mick mulvaney.e later served as special envoy to northern ireland but resigned from the post following the capitol attack. thank you so much for being with us this morning. you've seen the news overnight. the homeland security inspector general put out this statement, saying that text messages from january 5th and 6th were destroyed after the ig asked for them. how does that look to you? >> morning, john. it doesn't look very good, but when you sort of deep -- dig a little bit deeper into it, it becomes even murkier. the secret service, i think, put out a statement saying that none of the things that the committee was interested in were destroyed, also said it was part of an ordinary transition from old phones to new phones, and the inspector general is actually the guy that was appointed by trump, and the person running the department of homeland security was under the biden administration. so, it's very confusing. it may well be that there's something here that's completely normal, it may be somet

this morning, mick mulvaney, had this to say about it. >> it is weird and it's getting a little bit weirder. when i left the white house, i had to leave my work phone there. so, if the same was true with ken, then he would have to turn over that work phone to somebody else. and he would not have been in control of it since he left the administration. so, again, does it look weird from the outside? does it look somewhat nefarious? yes. >> yeah, it certainly does seem strange, all of it, as does house minority leader kevin mccarthy's seeming amnesia about sworn testimony about who he spoke to on the sixth. shortly after the former president told supporters he was going to the capitol with him. >> cassidy hutchinson testified -- >> so, we're going to january 6th. >> yes. >> go ahead. >> so, she testified under -- >> you know that's a recession, too, right? >> she said you called her after donald trump urged his supporters to do to the capitol. and you were concerned about those remarks and said, don't come up here. figure it out. don't come up here. she said that under oath. did you tell her t

>> reporter: the latest to testify today in private was one of president trump's closest aides mick mulvaney, the acting white house chief of staff until early 2020 he became special envoy to northern ireland but he resigned the night of the capitol riot mike pompeo who was trump's secretary of state now says he's talking with the committee about possibly testifying and the january 6 chairman bennie thompson says the committee has worked out a way to share all the evidence and witness transcripts with the justice department meantime the trump legal team is urging a federal court to rule that he's absolutely immune from the civil lawsuits filed against him over the capitol riots. they say he was acting in his official capacity when he questioned the election results and spoke at the january 6th rally. >> all right pete williams, thank you. >>> in 60 seconds controversy over the saudi backed golf tournament being played at donald trump's golf club not far from ground zero >>> a dramatic rescue in detroit after a vacant building fell on firefighters. two became trapped with officials saying one

. >>> former trump white house chief of staff mick mulvaney is scheduled to testify today before the committee investigating the january 6th capitol attack. trump fired mulvaney as chief of staff in 2020, months before the riot. mulvaney resigned from his subsequent job as special envoy to northern ireland after the capitol attack. he joined cbs news as a contributor this year. >>> the biden administration says more monkeypox vaccines are on the way, and a racial discrimination lawsuit is filed against sesame place. those are some of the headlines on the "morning newsstand." "the philadelphia enquirer" reports a black family filed a class action lawsuits against sesame place and its parent company seaworld parks and entertainment alleging racial discrimination. the family says costumed characters ignored a 5-year-old black girl and only interacted with white visitors during a meet and greet event last month at the theme park near philadelphia. it follows an incident caught on video earlier this month when a costumed character appeared to ignore two young black girls. >> these are the

we know yesterday they met with mick mulvaney. they have engaged with people like mike pompeo who they are hoping could come in for an interview as soon as next week if not sooner. and mick mulvaney was pretty honest about what he experienced during that conversation with the january 6th select committee yesterday. >>> clearly they're trying to figure out more of what it is that perhaps rudy guiliani or sydney powell got the access to the united states that they did, how folks like mike lindell had access, that sort of inner circle of people described by others as the crazies. how did they get the access that they did when they did? >> of course we also know the committee is very interested in the conversations about the 25th amendment after january 6th part of the reason they're trying to get as many of the cabinet officials in front of them as possible. we should also point out, john, even though the committee has not gotten all of the information they want from the department of homeland security or secret service that doesn't

mick mulvaney met with the committee thursday and said investigators are very interested in the players pushing false claims of election fraud and inner access to the white house. >> how did they get the access that they did when they did. >> reporter: among the others they spoke to, chad wolf, the "washington post" reporting that text messages from wolf and ken cuccinelli were lost from their government-issued electric devices. wolf said he handed over his phone in tact when he resign after january 6. meanwhile, the house minority leader, kevin mccarthy, whom cassidy hutchinson said was among the leaders who pleaded with trump to call it off, he says he doesn't remember it. >> i don't think i wanted a lot of people coming to the capitol, but i don't remember the conversation. >> reporter: and we're learning more about the timeline of when the inspector general from the department of homeland security first learned that the text messages from the secret service may have been deleted around january 5th or 6th. and it was a long time before he alerted anyone in congress about that. he kne

january 6th committee has interviewed donald trump's former treasury secretary steven mnuchin and mick mulvaney is set to testify later today. and the committee is negotiating with mike pompeo. his deposition could happen soon. the panel is clearly expanding its interest into conversations the cabinet may have had about removing the president from office after january 6th. what more are you learning about all this? >> we're hearing that the house select committee is clearly building out what happened in that crucial set of visors in the trump administration, the cabinet and the moments and january 6th, what they thought about the president and whether they considered the 25th amendment, removing donald trump from office to try and steady the democracy. so the news today from my colleagues on capitol hill is that steven mnuchin, the secretary of the treasury has spoken to the house select committee. we know that the house committee is negotiating for a potential interview with john ratcliffe, the director of national intelligence, another cabinet level position. there may be classification issue

former chief of staff mick mulvaney urged, mark, he needs to stop this now.news personality brian kilby said, please get him on tv destroying everything that you guys have accomplished. when we interviewed white house counsel pat cipollone, he told us he knew the president's two tweets were not enough. let's listen to what he said. >> did you believe the tweets -- >> who on the staff did not want people to leave the capitol? >> on the stf? >> in the white house. >> i can't think of anybody, you know, on that day who didn't want people to get out of the capitol, particularly once the violence started. i mean, -- >> what about the president? >> she said "the staff." >> no, i said, "in the white house." >> i apologize. i thought you said who else on the staff. i can't reveal communications. obviously, i think -- yeah. >> let's pause on that last statement was although pat cipollone is being careful about executive privilege, there really is no ambiguity about what he said. almost everybody wanted president trump to instruct the mob to disperse. president trump r

. >> and mick mulvaney is acting chief of staff in the former administration. later a special envoy to ireland and he resigned because of january 6th. i'm wondering what you think of what attorney general garland had to say tonight. >> i was very pleased with what he said. i think most americans would be, that that chief law enforcement officer of the united states said they were going to go about things deliberately and without concern for politics. that's what i would want them to say on any particular investigation into any crime committed possibly by any person in the country. that's what we want when it comes to law enforcement. if there's anything that sort of gave some insight into what's happening, though, it's not what merrick garland said this evening, it's the fact that mark short was called into a federal grand jury under subpoena on tuesday. that -- >> and jacob as well. >> that's correct. that tells me a lot more about what's actually happening than what you heard from merrick garland this evening. >> the attorney general said they were investigat

mick mulvaney met thursday and said that they are very interested to their access to the white house. that certain group of people described as the craze eies, wh did they get the information. >> reporter: text messages lost from government-issued device. wolf said he handed over his phone in tact when he resigned after january 6. meanwhile, the house minority leader, kevin mccarthy, who hutchinson said was among the leaders who pleaded for trump to call his supporters off, he says he doesn't remember tcalling he. >> i don't think i want add lot wanted a hot of plot of people coming to the capitol. >> it was a long time before he alerted anyone in congress of that fact. we're told that the current dhs ig knew in may 2021 about the missing text messages. ryan nobles, cnn, on capitol hill. >>> wall street just closed out the month on a high note after three days of solid gains for all major u.s. indeces. it was the dow's best month of the year so far while the s&p 500 and nasdaq saw their best months in two years. but the euphoria on wall street hasn't stopped recession fierce. jerome p

mick mulvaney speaking to the committee for several hours this afternoon. he was an envoy in europe on january 6th. but the other three were right there in trump's inner circle to the very end. and the committee wants to know more about conversations about possibly invoking the 25th amendment. mike pompeo says he's now in discussions with the committee. but let's not forget what cassidy hutchinson told the committee about discussions among cabinet members about the 25th amendment. watch. >> and there are more trump cabinet members who have talked to the committee. there they are, up on your screen right now. everybody from the former acting defense secretary to former attorney general bill barr, who left office before january 6th. but not before he told the then president exactly what he thought of his election lies. >> i made it clear i did not agree with the idea of saying the election was stolen and putting out this stuff, which i told the president was bullshit. >> he said it, right? look, we all saw what happened on january 6th. you know, people know w

. >> let me ask you, we had mick mulvaney on earlier. he said he thought what donald trump did, former acting white house chief of staff, was a dereliction of duty, but didn't know if that was a crime. is it a crime? and if so, what does the committee have to show that donald trump did or did not do? >> i think there's arguments that can be made that he was potentially obstructing justice. but i don't think this hearing is about establishing criminal culpability as it relates to der election of duty -- dereliction of duty. i think the arguments regarding what he did that day pertains to his role as commander in chief, where he failed to protect the capitol and the lawmakers and the law enforcement and the staff, who were on the premises. his inability to marshal the resources of the federal government to respond to what was an emergency situation that potentially obstructed the work of congress and the functioning of the constitution. but i don't think that, unlike some of the work the committee has done in the prior hearing, that i thin

former chief of staff mick mulvaney met with investigators thursday and said they're very interesting in the false claims of election fraud and their access to the white house. >> the inner circle who have been identified as the crazying how did they get the access that they did? >> reporter: "washington post" reported that text messages from wolf and guch nelly were lost from their electronic devices. wolf said he handed over his phone intact when he resigned after january 6th. meanwhile the house minority leader kevin mccarthy, who cassidy hutchison said was one of the republicans who pleaded for trump to call things off claims she doesn't remember him calling her that i don't think i wanted a lot of people coming up to the capitol, but i don't remember the conversation. >> reporter: and, boris and sara, we're learning more about the timeline when the inspector general of the department of homeland security may have first learned the text messages may have been deleted. it's much earlier than he may have told congress. they could have been gone as early as may of 2021. that's more t

today, former trump acting chief of staff, mick mulvaney, revealed white house investigators wanted to know during his interview. >> i sent some tweets and some text on january 6th, they wanted to talk about that. i was also fairly heavily involved in the trump campaign. one thing they want to know was the discussions i've had leading up to the election day, and the discussions right after election day. and then interestingly, there were some questions towards the end about general questions about how a white house might run. they wanted to know the process, for example, and how visitors would come see the president. or how would a chief of staff typically try to include or exclude people from meetings with the president. >> mulvaney also told nbc news the committee was interested in his communication with rnc chair ronna mcdaniel the week following the 2020 election. he said, during a phone, call mcdaniel told him trump had lost arizona. with that, let's get smarter with the help of our league of power no. carol leonnig herself, pulitzer winning investigative reporter. jeff mason corr