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tom: that was the former white house chief of staff, mick mulvaney, talking about the messaging issueser to people. the importance of inflation and the cost of living crisis in the u.s., and how it is playing into the vote later today? sir westmacott: mick mulvaney was in london a few days ago, and a number of us had a chance to hear him. it seems what the electors care about our issues of crime, immigration, inflation, the economy. it is indeed the case the democrats were running more on how it is outrageous trump tried to overturn the last election. polling suggests those are not the issues that will be the most dominant as people decide how to cast their vote. tens of millions of people have already voted. on the day, it will be important, but a lot of people have already decided. this is a time when the economy, stupid, really does matter, just as it matters in the united kingdom where people are deeply worried about a cost-of-living crisis and inflation rates and mortgage rates. in the united states a lot of people are looking at those other points. you are in the opposition, it i

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here's how trump's former acting chief of staff mick mulvaney put it. >> between being donald trump and be ron desantis. this is a huge win for him. >> let's bring in ali vitali and ryan nobles both in florida today and david plouffe and matthew dowd continue with us this morning. ali, you're in tampa. the nbc news exit poll, 53% do not support a 2024 run. how is the team addressing that. >> reporter: well, they're pretty mum about anything going on in the future. if you can't tell by the wins around me, they're preparing to do their day job of being the governor of florida. what happens here when a storm is bearing down on the state. that's their focus. frankly, they don't need to be saying anything right now because it's clear that other people are saying it for them. mick mulvaney is echoing text messages that i have been getting from republican operatives since yesterday all talking about the fact that this is, in fact, the ideal springboard for ron desantis to launch a presidential bid. trump is already talking about this. he's in the mind-set of giving out nicknames. the nicknames

he told vance he did not want to detract from the importance of election day joining us is mick mulvaney. former white house chief of staff and omb director good morning to you. that was a lot. >> it is a lot >> a big day >> i don't think the ohio race is a lock. it is 92 cents on prediction the others are close tim ryan is not. >> when you look at those and the polls, if we were to wake up t tomorrow morning, what will we see? >> i think joe is right. it hurts me to say that. i don't think it is close about ohio >> why are you picking on me you want him to be right about things who are you? >> in general agreement. pennsylvania will be rough georgia, you will not know who the georgia winner is tonight. it goes over probably to a runoff on that i think the republicans aring doing better than you are hearing in arizona and nevada. i have been watching new hampshire race closely this is one of the strange races, andrew, where the democrats got involved in the republican primary to get the maga republican they want to run against and it worked. a maga republican. they figure to cruise and w

because mick mulvaney was going to provide access of some value. that's not even a case i do not.nk and this is the very guy who says, yeah, you know what, that was actually a quid pro quo. we do that kind of thing. i mean, how he gets hired as a legit pundit on cbs is beyond being. and i wrote a blistering column about that. >> he also claimed that the pandemic was over when it wasn't over, so there would be a peaceful transition of power. so they are obviously not hiring him for us at the analysis. margaret, last question, we see the recent strain of books from prominent journalists like maggie haberman, peter baker. about the trump white house. and many have criticize those reporters for seemingly holding back information for the books, rather than reporting them out in realtime. a classic example from the haberman book was, trump told him from some of the documents that they had taken out of the white house. and we only found out about that more recently. but she was told about that a while ago. that's one of the criticisms, what are your thoughts about this, all of, this do y

general kelly created that order, and sadly when he left, i think mick mulvaney did his best to bringout, but i was disappointed in mark meadows' performance as chief of staff, particularly at the end. from the very early on, when he can talked the president out of the coronavirus press briefings, and in a very real sense, i think his tenure as chief of staff did not serve the president well. >> it sounds like it's just not on january 6th. are you saying a lot of the covid misinformation that sometimes dame out of president trump's mouth was due to meadows' lack of gatekeeping? >> we can talk about covid -- >> was he a bad gatekeeper then, too? >> i have also believe in a public health emergency, more is more. we quickly began press briefings on a daily basis. i think we served the country well, but -- but once we went through the early difficult period with covid and the new chief of staff started his tenure, the pressure began a month or so during the pandemic too move away from the briefings. >> you imply in that book, that that meeting with the lawyers, the campaign lawyers, and r

neil: donald trump's former budget director mick mulvaney worried the federal reserve is hamstrung, wantso be aggressive on inflation but looking at $31 trillion in debt we have, he knows any incremental hike will add billions to that the rate we are going. and still higher. that's going to be -- they are not going to want to do it but they have to because the alternative is to take a debt that is already explosive and really explode it. >> shame on congress. on lake great britain, they use the lowest interest rates in years to extend the maturities and end up with lower interest service costs for the country. in the long-term the united states for generations has chosen to keep the shortest rates which means we will be rolling over the debt quickly and service costs will tie the new congress's hands even if the economy falls into deep recession, they will be hard-pressed to spend more money because it cost so much to service it and that does indeed put the fed in a quandary. neil: if the fed eases up it will be for the wrong reasons, right? >> it would be, because this should not be the

i was on a conference call with mick mulvaney who suggested he was going to look into this.merican people are looking for politicized counter investigations or looking into the supposed politicalization of the fbi or hunter biden or any of this other nonsense. i think they would be much better off politically if they focus on legitimate issues, trying to help the american people dealing with inflation and other issues. i don't expect that's where it's going to go and i think jim jordan signaling just shows the absurd and ridiculous investigations with the incoming republican congress is what we can expect. >> thank you all so much for being with us this morning. really appreciate your time. good to see you all. >>> and moments ago, we showed you president biden visiting firefighters on nantucket. he just spoke to reports about a whole slate of issues about the goals on assault weapons ban and ukraine and even his next physical. when that's going to take place. >> the idea we still allow semiautomatic weapons to be purchased is sick. it's just sick. it has no, no social redee

. >> so if your head isn't always spinning, that's mick mulvaney saying the former president had the voters' seal of approval for promising them something he had no intention of delivering and then breaking that same promise. in any event, as the legal battle to keep his returns private dragged on, reporting, especially a 2020 piece in the piece in "the new york times" made clear what the former president was concealing. quoting from the lead, donald j. trump paid $750 in federal income taxes the year he won the presidency. in his first year in the white house, he paid another $750. he paid no income taxes at all in 10 of the previous 15 years, largely because he reported losing much more money than he made. just today in the state of new york's case against the trump organization, an accountant for the company confirmed some of that story. admitting under cross-examine that the former president reported losses on his personal returns from 2011 to 2018. and soon the house ways and means committee will be able to see what else the former president went all the way to the supreme court

joining me is congressman and former white house acting chief of staff mick mulvaney. thanks for coming in. >> kate, thanks for having me. >> i want to jump off of what jeff zeleny was talking about, the fallout between mike pence and donald trump. and i want to play for you what mike pence, as he's mulling a white house bid for himself. >> do you believe that donald trump should ever be president again? >> david, i think that is up to the american people. but i think we'll have better choices in this future. i think people of the country get along well once you get outside of politics and i think they want to see their national leaders start to reflect that same -- that same compassion and generosity of spirit and i think so in the days ahead, i think there will be better choices. >> and you could see what mike pence is kind of laying out there. do you think pence is a better choice, mick? >> a couple of different things about that passage. that is sincere. if you saw another politician do that, you may sound like it is a contrived, but with mike he's being sincere ab

but there is another phenomenon here i want to echo, continue to pound here, one raised by mick mulvaney donald trump's former budget director, that the fed might be stymied by something else, this could force it to pivot. look at this. you would think the fed would be kind of forced to reserve a little bit because of all that debt and you're quite right, i think it is adding 180, $200 million a year in higher rate costs we're looking at now. so that even if inflation were a problem still the fed would slow down, maybe even stop? >> yeah. i think the average debt right now, our maturities, average maturities in our debt it's about five years. so someplace between the two-year and the 10. those costs are someplace between 3 1/2, 4% depending where you are in the week and so forth. that is a huge amount of money f that goes to 10%, if the government's borrowing costs goes to 10% on $30 trillion. that math is pretty easy. that is $3 trillion a year just in interest payments. that is an obscene amount of money. i think the fed is restricted at least in the back of their minds they know they

we spoke with mick mulvaney on what congress can do to avoid a possible rail strike.s going to say, but listen. >> it's probably the most important issue congress will have of to deal with when it comes back. rail is an interesting part of the economy because of its history, because of the legislation on the books. congress can actually get involved and pass a resolution -- it would have to be the signed by the president -- that would either delay or prevent a strike. cheryl: john, what do you think? >> this last occurred back in 1991, congress stopped the rail strike that lasted all of 24 hours. so i wouldn't be surprised in rail strike shows the slightest bit of evidence of doing real harm to the u.s. economy, pushing prices higher and so on, congress will get together, pass legislation and will order workers in the railroad industry back to work and biden will sign that also quickly. cheryl: well, we shall see what happens. obviously, december 5th, december 9th, key dates in all of those negotiations. >> and with the uncertainty right now, you have to remember that

mick mulvaney, your predecessor i believe in the job you had at the white house who says that the federal reserve now has to balance not only this fight against inflation and whether it tips the economy into recession but the damage it could could continuing to hike rates with our debt. we added borrowing costs to the tune of 180, $200 million a year just on increase in rates thus far that might force the fed to rethink going too aggressively here. what do you think of that? >> well i would just say i don't believe that is their job. i think their job is to focus on monetary policies and to the extent they have focused on that in recent time that is a good thing and i think we'll continue to see that emphasis this afternoon but it's a sizable impact when you have 10-year rates going up to the extent which they are. we would run sensitivity analysis 1% increase on average is a 2 trillion-dollar hit over a 10-year period. so it is something that i look at every morning to figure out where that 10-year rate is because of what it does to the fiscal balance sheet and so making it very right to

>> yeah, i was on this conversation with mick mulvaney yesterday, and it shows how little these guyshave learned, right? he is talking, he's predicting what this congress is going to do with kevin mccarthy, he's like, there is going to be demands from the freedom caucus that is in the base to do these investigations, we are going to investigate the politicization of the fbi, and doj. with your two seat majority, after just getting roundly defeated in the midterms? what you're going to do with that is investigate insane news conspiracies about president trump being unfairly targeted? like, that is what you guys are going to do? they have learned nothing, and they are completely incapable of making the pivot that they need to make away from him. again, no i know intellectually that they need to do, it but they are going to be unable to with this, as jacqui said, ungovernable majority. >> i think they should have a 15 member committee to -- just do, it do it all the way up. jackie, the final thing here again, trump forcing the issue here. which is also just obviously predictable. but th

tonight with the context, the emmy nominated journalist caroline modarressy—tehrani and mick mulvaneydent trump's former chief former chief of staff. welcome to the programme. the missile that killed two people in poland yesterday, close to their border with ukraine, was not russian, but ukrainian. it was fired by an air defence unit, to counter at least 13 cruise missiles that the russians had launched towards lviv and the surrounding region. the nato sec generaljens stoltenberg said preliminary investigations were contuining, but at this point, there is no indication russia was targeting poland. it demonstrates that the war in ukraine, which is president putin's responsibility, continues to create dangerous situations. at the same time, we have to remember that this happened at the same time as russia launched a wave of new indiscriminate missile and air attacks on ukrainian cities. in response, president biden hurriedly convened a huddle with world leaders at the 620 summit in bali. he promised iron—clad support for nato allies. as did his defence secretary, lloyd austin, who later

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