mick west is the author of "escaping the rabbit hole."at these things through the prism of science and practicality. the first one, let's do this episode, by episode. the triangle video. okay? this was recorded by personnel aboard the uss russell, july, 2019, off the coast of california. the green, flashing, triangular-shaped object, with a night-vision device from a navy ship. nothing can fly, in that shape and that way. what the hell is it? what is there an explanation that we have ignored. >> well, it is flashing and the way it flashes is very like a plane flashing. and the next thing you notice about the video is there seem to be other triangles in the scene, as well. there is a couple triangles, at the end, that it flies past. but if you analyze the video, you can find that those triangles are actually stars, which means that there's something about the camera, that's making these stars, which are normally little points of light, be triangle shaped. so, if that is happening to the stars, it's also happening to what's making the trian

. >> what do you say to those skeptics like mick west who post youtube videos that say there are moreke balloons and drones and even the blinking light of a 737? >> i would say to remain skeptical, but keep in mind when we see video being released online, a lot of times there's eyewitness testimony coming in from the pilots, who, by the way, are trained observers who are actually witnessing much more than the five or ten seconds of video. there's also radar data. so when you have something like that, obviously you're having something that's not an effect of the camera. you're dealing with a real object, and let's not forget there's other footage as well that's taken at the same time from different angles. i think we have to be very careful coming up with a prosaic explanation. without having all the facts in front of us. >> steve, what's your take on this? how should we be thinking about these sightings? >> i think it's intriguing frankly, george. the navy videos have some things we've never seen before. normally with ufos you see a grainy picture and a person that is easily spooked.