i will continue the fight earlier, my colleagues, mickey aaron and donald quarter, discuss the issue with a panel of guest course. the pentagon now says it's not strategic, but it doesn't really make much sense for both sides to be putting so much effort, so much manpower into either holding or taking a city that was never of any real strategic importance. i mean, in the recent weeks, the wagner private military company has done just that. they've essentially almost nearly encircled the ukranian troops that are still within the city who have found themselves in a bloodbath just to maintain the defense of it. their on direct orders from ukrainian president vladimir zalinski, who said these troops need to hold their ground and they need to fight down to the last man, but we have heard reports actually of descent within ukrainian ranks. apparently, the commander in chief of the ukrainian armed forces is saying that kia should, at this point just caught its losses and withdrawal from the city. now, if we go by what the mainstream media says, it might seem that these ukrainian held cities

earlier my colleagues, mickey aaron and donald quarter discuss the issue with a panel of guest. it can be significant strategically significant given it's access to the rest of dumbass. number 2, you got to keep in mind lloyd. austin oversaw the withdrawal of us troops out of iraq back in 2011 and what crept in isis. so i don't really care that much for his strategic analysis. and number 3, it would take a lot of ukraine troops out of the fight. and i think that this is what they want to do given the ukrainian losses. i don't think it said insignificant and just to prove, put, i think would be a demoralizing factor for the ukrainians at this point. if they weren't here just to get up and, and leave. and you look at the territory, that's there. that's significant territory. if the russians take it back over the phone, we know that thousands of civilians are reportedly chosen to remain inside our tim walburga, but others have been trying to flee. so what exactly do we know about the situation in the city? at the moments while without a doubt but the vast majority of the civilian p