tavis: mickey haller is the fifth witness. this is the half brother. without giving away the story " is? witness i ln lawyer >> people have -- we had an economic downturn and people are not getting a lot of work. what happens when we have a downturn is the public defender's office gets crowded because people do not have money for private attorneys. he is grambling tried to make a living and goes into the foreclosure defense which is a growth industry in the legal position. it is about starting over and trying -- going into helping people hang on to their houses or negotiate with banks. out of that a criminal case blooms. one of his clients, a woman who is having her home foreclosed on is accused of killing a banker who was behind the foreclosure. tavis: this is not the first time you have done this. what is it about what is happening in the real world that you want to grab hold to? >> i am trying to keep myself interested as a artist. these are mysteries, these are puzzled, entertainment. that is the big party. if i can bring another thing into a mirro