. >> mickey sherman, hugo rodriguez, mickey sherman, what do you make of them taking him in, he's in handcuffs, they take him, they -- okay, glad to see that you managed to jerry rig being with us tonight. >> i believe the studio here on the crap table last night. so we're just going to have to do with this. how did he get handcuffs? they did a search warrant from his body, fluids and whatever. i don't get how he's hand cuffs, he's not in custody. >> we learned earlier that they're trying to preserve possible evidence under his fingernails. susan wrath, what can you tell me about the state of his arms and hands, were there scratch marks on him? susan wrath, are you with me? i have lost audio with susan. paul bass, what do we know? i think i have got paul bass, okay, satellite down. back to you, mickey sherman, there are reports that his arms have scratches on them. now friends and family explained that away by saying that one of the three cats did that to him. we know that they found bloody clothes in the building, hidden up in the ceiling tiles. so if they were looking under his fin