well, they're using computers, the internet, microelectronics, so on and so forth.almost all developed in the state sector for decades before it's handed over to private power to, for commercialization and application. so, yeah, there is initiative there, and people are having fun doing maybe interesting things, but relying very heavily on the background state subsidy which takes many forms. actually, everyone at mit ought to know it. it's paid our salaries for year withs. [laughter] you know, for decades computers and the internet and, you know, the whole base of the i.t. culture were being developed right here, similar places and so on. and finally, after decades it was handed over to bill gates and steve jobs to market and commercialize, make profit of and make little things that a you carry around with you. so it's a kind of -- it has entrepreneurial aspects, but it's a parasitic, but it's parasitic on a much more fundamental development. the really hard work, the hard research and development, the creative work is quite substantially in the state sector. incide