so, the fact that congressman king is out there talking about microfiche and birth certificates and -elegram. >> but the thing about the common -- the common thread is faith, not logic. >> yes. >> it's family, not science. >> well, why don't they have faith in the fact that you can't have a black american president? why is that a matter of faith? >> well, we haven't openly or frankly discussed either race or religion here -- >> but why would that be a matter of faith, he wasn't born here? >> because he struck people from the very beginning, both because of his name, because of his background, because of his color in part as somebody foreign, as somebody who wasn't quite american, as somebody who didn't belong in america -- [ everyone talking at once ] and in a world that they see where it's all either good or bad, where there is no gray. there was only faith or lack of faith. that's the third mistake. >> but the easy -- >> he's also a protege of chicago left-wing politics. he's also part -- >> he has a secret plan. >> he's also part of the corrupt chicago machine. [ everyone talking a