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on most that microsoft isn't that hot and also all only ten is going to this year if i don't microsoft or the kind that limited by force of product event i need it for bush just a bit on an ocean i needed to go in oakland hundreds are i now i new rooms because it's not a mistake in the nation are also on of guys are not even so sure. these alternatives have been around for a long time they're based on the fundamentally different principle called open source. in contrast to the proprietary software of microsoft and other companies open source software uses a source code that is publicly available. that's why hundreds of thousands of programmers around the world can improve it extended and fix bugs. the collective workforce of the swarm of programmers discovers and closes security. gaps and efficiently produces state of the out software including the world's most widely used operating systems linux and then droid. unlike microsoft windows linux is available free of charge. any organization or administration can customize it for its own purposes without asking the corporation for permissi

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einsatz income invite you to comment on it microsoft for a lean body and a lot of microsoft poke on the bush would send via the education and serve idea is that stand all the microsoft's off to a lot of them and thus you get into a little i know virtual fusion upping its kind of things that satisfy the end because it's not saying oh that's once it has a lot of these already president. made up any kind of fun i'd sit in he has to learn. afghan's idol admits the toilet is your only example nineteen that has been developed home for nineteen declawed as a. marxist in the control of. the stata semitic of sinai ignited ima via top and one in the van comes. in the large is that it's a boy or tie and is the show's my night t.v. shows and they're both of them very long at the artist and you know if it's on implementing the v.v. toy it's mine i.t.v. to believe and it is i don't either as has been a good movie legal side of it. dependency is the result of a business principle with which the major software manufacturers and in particular microsoft have created monopolies worldwide keeping the s

my dad worked at ford, and i still own microsoft stock. david: do you ever take tips and give them to your l.a. clippers coach? steve: no! i hear there are owners who do that, and i'm not going to be that guy. >> would you fix your tie, please? david: well, people wouldn't recognize me if my tie was fixed, but ok. just leave it this way. alright. ♪ david: i don't consider myself a journalist. and nobody else would consider myself a journalist. i began to take on the life of being an interviewer even though i have a day job of running a private equity firm. how do you define leadership? what is it that makes somebody tick? as we sit here today, you are the owner of the l.a. clippers. let's talk about how you became an owner of the clippers. so, you retired in 2014 from microsoft as a ceo, and the clippers were more or less going to be available. you paid $2 billion for the team, the highest price then ever paid for a sports team in basketball. were all the other owners happy with you because you elevate the value of their franchises? i assu

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[laughter] steve: running microsoft was a ton of fun.t was kind of inspirational, because were working on stuff to literally transform the world. i got a lot out of that. the intellectual challenges were strong. i love that. i thought i had unique value to add. but just for fun, fun, fun, it is really no stress running a basketball team, except you really want to win. ♪ [cheering] david: let's talk about your background. you grew up in the detroit area. your parents were immigrants. where were they from? steve: my dad was an immigrant from switzerland. he left switzerland after world war ii, worked as an interpreter at the war trials in nuremberg. because they were looking for german speakers who were not german citizens, because they were afraid of that. he met his sponsor, one of the g.i.'s dads who he had worked with as an interpreter. i don't think he finished high school. he was never precise on that. he certainly didn't go to college, but he worked at ford. my mom is actually not an immigrant. her parents were, and i think they cam

my dad worked at fort, and i still own microsoft stock.: you are well known for very visible and vocal expressions of your thoughts. steve: it turns out i have a knack. part of that is getting in front of your troops and pumping them up, and tell a story. at the end of the day, i can get into the game and be verbal and vocal. [screaming] steve: developers, developers, developers, developers, developers. developers, developers, developers, developers, developers. [applause] steve: yes. [cheers and applause] ♪ david: so you retire at 57. what did you decide you wanted to do when you left? steve: i had not really given it a ton of thought until i left. i had this hard-core notion. just give it all for microsoft until i leave. so i leave, and what am i going to do? well, owning a sports team was attractive. within a few weeks i went and visited roger goodell and adam silver, the nba and nfl commissioners. i thought that would be a fun thing to do. my wife, who had been involved in philanthropic stuff, focused in on foster kids and disadvantage

my dad worked at fort, and i still own microsoft stock.u are well known for very visible and vocal expressions of your thoughts. steve: it turns out i have a knack. part of that is getting in front of your troops and pumping them up, and tell a story. at the end of the day, i can get into the game and be verbal and vocal. [cheering] steve: developers, developers, developers, developers, developers. developers, developers, developers, developers, developers. [applause] steve: yes. [applause] ♪ ♪ david: so you retire at 57. what did you decide you wanted to do when you left? steve: i had not really given it a ton of thought until i left. i had this hard-core notion. just give it all for microsoft until i leave. so i leave, and what am i going to do? well, owning a sports team was attractive. within a few weeks i went and visited roger goodell and adam silver, the nba and nfl commissioners. i thought that would be a fun thing to do. my wife, who had been involved in philanthropic stuff, focused in on foster kids and disadvantaged kids in the

on microsoft when they go to. through this ordeal and it was a difficult one of course for them to dismiss yapping as presidents you're missing a little bit of a sheen or study again without being strident concise if i love to bring in the listen that i feel. older seen a reversal of things in five microsoft percentage that was on a school killing the stupidest of its own rules and microsoft intensely and that's insane young as well of course i'm stuck on mr microsoft isn't that hot and also all of you jenny is going to let you have the device on michael so put it behind that limit by force of will to prevent i get it for bush just one bit on who sure i knew that it was going to be one of the hundreds are i now i knew who knows me had this modernistic of the nation also on dies and not even social. these alternatives have been around for a long time they're based on the fundamentally different principle called open source.

and other than the cloud, where else can microsoft grows ? cloud, where else can microsoft grows?aming industry, for example? yes, 3996 based on their financials. they don't break out the xbox sales, but they are going into streaming. if you think about the rise of egaming and competitions around the world, including in china, that is an opportunity for them also. it has been described as a battle or dial in the media industry but us media giant comcast has said it will no longer attempt to buy 21st century fox, and in the bidding war with rival disney. paul blake says comcast drop the bid for fox to focus on buying a large stake in the british broadcaster sky. two motivations to drop the deal, the first simple one to get your head around is disney, the rival in the battle, won conditional approval which comcast was yet to receive, so that greased the way for disney to go ahead and acquire 21st century fox. the second one gets more complicated, the various other mergers happening in america and how they are playing out in court. that they are playing out in court. that the case ou

is, in fact, controlled by microsoft. on prem presence of software we cannot control. you should expect that the cloud platform from microsoft will conform to a set of regulatory policies and standards that are acceptable around the world. that's been the nature of microsoft's business for many, many, many years i would expect that, as this cloud revolution evolves, we will show the world that we are a straight down the middle kind of company and execute in that vein >> john, i'd love to get your take on the state of security in technology you're the ceo of semantic for quite a while. we find ourselves in the environment where you can no longer count on just having a barrier around the perimeter, along the outside and keeping the bad guys out you have to be able to track what's happening inside a corporation, inside the firewall and figure out where bad actors might have already infiltrated what is the next trend in that arena technologically that we ought to be paying attention to and how do you distinguish between a sec

they will go with microsoft number two player and that is a benefit to microsoft that has no microsofthas no plans to get into everything amazon has really been to. i cannot do this business with amazon, need to do this business that microsoft is the beneficiary. >> they are doing well there. it's not that they just happen to stand in the way. they are actively going after it. maria bartiromo interviewed the ceo of microsoft this week and he was talking about the white house plan for terrorists. listen. >> i am hoping that we will come back. the president has said what he wants his fare deals and so i hope as we negotiate them, that we come back to a stable environment. gerri also told maria is important to protect international property, ip. tell them what to make about your comments about tariffs. the company stands to lose or gain the very complicated to follow. would you say? >> they might like microsoft benefits more. they don't take on the risk of an aluminum terrace. but they do get hit when the whole economy draws in a cell software. if the economy is dragging, a company that d

the microsoft systems a whole saw a security risk their overcomplex and vulnerable and only the microsoft experts know the source code because computer club has been criticizing this for a long time they have to act as kind as they had to perform what they deem a sound saidst start of a zillion then all of us and i thought we have that image had.

microsoft in a moment. look at comcast, disney, fox. comcast dropping pursuit of 21st century fox assets. disney wins out on that one. 21st century is the parent of the fox business network. they will continue, comcast, 21st century fox will continue to battle it out on sky news. >>> microsoft will be right here on "after the bell." it will be coming out shortly. you can see numbers are coming out. we're passing it on. so far so good on numbers. back to you. melissa: looks like a beat there. thank you, nicole. phil, gold closing lowest level in four years, oil climbs for the third day. what is behind the move? >> tell you on gold, only time it shines after president trump's comments basically on interest rates. it popped gold higher. but really the gold market in a lot of trouble mainly because of that strong dollar. nobody wants to own gold right now. unless they stop raising interest rates. oil was amazing today. it looked like it would collapse as well. we got comment from saudi arabia, wait a second, guys, don't worry, we're not flo

we are the only set of twins to both cell companies to microsoft. lot of the things we have done are similar. i think i am more of a stress case. my brother is more unique comparatively. emily: you were born in tehran. you were six years old when the iran-iraq war broke out. what was that like? >> it was horrific. i was scared all the time of our neighborhood being bombed, which it frequently was. there was a period during the bombardment when we would spend nights holding our ears. that was pretty rough. i will say having gotten out of that, it makes me feel much stronger, because i feel i can take on anything. if you can survive that, it makes day-to-day problems seem much easier to deal with. >> my dad tried to make it seem like the bombardment wasn't our neighborhood. he would wake up in the morning to go see whose homes were still standing. emily: what did your parents do? >> my dad was the head of a university of technology in the company. my mother was a systems analyst. once the revolution happened, it was hard to keep a job. women were so i

microsoft is up 22% so far this year.it holds gains, microsoft shares would have risen by double digits in a row. imagine that, michael nunes, deputy editor, michael, welcome, good to have you here. i guess the eu find the new rule doesn't really go into effect in 90 days, the company is taking the charge right away in second quarter and wipe out almost every bit of earnings, this has been a strong company but i have to tell you it's going to have a big impact on the company, what do you make of that? >> on the google to alphabet, what we are seeing with alphabet is the fine for this antitrust suit is really not impacting the stock all that much, i think a lot of people have either priced that into the stock price or are just really confident in google's fundamentals, ultimately android is by way the most used operating system in the world specifically on mobile and so they have really a gateway for people to access their google search and for google, a large majority of their revenue still coming from search advertising

we're going to lend microsoft meant about how the survey email address in austin is today he said. it's not me it's your own at best . point. what john the last bird was a duffer by srila released on ship at any cost of course it equal to what the arnold ever in the book would you could bottle as he warns and on the basis of atsic edged its use of bush no more but always it was. dead on it is there was water so what is it going is one of these leaks to come on the little bit and. nobody in the ministry of defense was willing to give us any information about the corporation was microsoft. but investigated your openness found a ninety expert from the french government who is prepared to talk about it we have an appointment lew neutral place because he has to remain anonymous in order not to lose his job but no career is even investigated you're a colleague we now know as also found documents that show how closely the french government cooperates with microsoft ok the other thing for defense was really give all they have and document here as the i'm going to have for. that's and with

on the closest diggers i'm just going through this army of the argument for going from microsoft but the daughter does for he lets you know your hotel is over then a tape from franklin think of a good book more net tax on the costs of. zip stalinists also claim and call the war the whole thing or more or do goodness you norden. they don't disappear as fog. oh. oh oh. oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh. the incredible scenes in sochi at the fish stadium the quarter final of the world cup continues to chew after the exits are between russia and eurasia the managers and the players are on the pitch.

it's true it could have gone further, but the microsoft division was one that was agreed to by microsoft is a good decision. emily: the money is one thing. another.egulations are for google, is the money really a big deal, or is it the other thing that google now has to comply with? >> the money really is a drop in the ocean. .5 billion google has cash reserves of $103 billion at the moment. it doesn't make a big chunk. -- take a big chunk out of that. the bigger question is how it will respond. it will potentially reduce its access to data if people do start using alternative search engines, browsers. that data is essential to google's ad business, allowing it to serve the kind of ads which match user interest and user browsing behavior. emily: a lot of google competitors are happy about this ruling. one longtime google rival, of course, is oracle, which is one of your clients. in the past oracle has signed on to letters supporting eu actions against google and briefed european regulators on google policies. how much has oracle been behind sowing this antitrust backlash? >> oracle has m

microsoft has become a premiere player in cloud.nd the stock price has nearly doubled under nadella. alphabet and apple are sitting on the doorstep. now microsoft is teaming up with walmart to take on amazon. satya nadella calls it a $4.5 trillion opportunity. >> we describe our mission as empowering every person and every organization on the planet to achieve more. our success, whatever we have of it, is dependent on our customers succeeding in an increasingly digital world. that's what you see with walmart and others. they are using digital telling as an ingredient as they transform retail or healthcare or industrial manufacturing. maria: this announcement with walmart, it's a digital transformation for walmart. but you are calling this a $4.5 trillion opportunity, this transformation to digital. >> when you think about it. for all the success of digital technology companies, on a percentage basis of the worldwide gdp, the tech is about 5%. it's expected to go to 10% in the next 10 years. on a secular basis tech spending will incr

if you actually watched the full presentation, the microsoft vp is talking about a legal case that microsoft brought that gave them ultimately the try it grab these website addresses once they identified them as being the russian hackers and that's what led to them discovering this. with that information, i had enough to go on. >> actually, it is a reporting point. it is also, i think, a big, sort of a citizenship point. one of the things i think regular citizens have been our hands with, it is the question of defense. what defenses we have against them doing this stuff. marchly because we knew they did it before. it does seem like it was a federal court ruling that helped microsoft catch this attack in action and that in turn helped you figure out who one of the targets was. >> yeah. it was a real interesting case, microsoft going into court and suing these hackers as john doe defendants because they didn't know the names and of course, they didn't show up so microsoft won by default and that puts them that a position to actively interfere. >> without getting too much into the technicalitie

meanwhile, hadi headed joined the microsoft explorer team, the microsoft browser. and it was probably one of the most exciting jobs in the whole tech industry. emily: didn't you try to convince microsoft to do search, and they didn't? time, this was 1998, and search advertising existed. we tried to convince microsoft the biggest way to monetize search was to have text-based ads that were keyword targeted and to sell them on an option basis. which is exactly what adwards is today, except, we call it keywords. turned out it wasn't something , microsoft was prepared to invest in at the time. emily: did you ever tell bill gates or steve ballmer "i told you so?" >> i wrote a letter to steve after leaving microsoft, i had a great experience here, but as i leave, you should keep your eyes on this new startup called google, they have great potential. it was a very diplomatically worded email, but very prescient as well. ♪ >> we will invest in something we think is a bad idea if we like the person. ♪ emily: you do have possibly the most impressive list of angel investments

microsoft has increased value 44% this year, and ge down 49% the cap of microsoft is $825 billion and4 and it's just absolutely, the -- these two companies, microsoft was a much smaller company than ge for that period of time. >> of course >> and just the cloud has turned them into a monster. flannery, he had to park that industrial program that ml put 4 or 5 million into, maybe that can be resurrected, moved from being in equipment that ge sells to other people, but he needs some spark in there, in that power area maybe it is a piece of design, i don't know but just so sad to see the scale flipped around there >> yeah, and bob certainly earlier this week we did actually see news that ge and microsoft are deepening their relationship around the cloud and digital industrial internet. i want to get your thoughts -- >> ironically they didn't emphasize that in the call, nor did anybody ask a question about it >> yes i wanted to get your thoughts, there's a lot of focus on pain in power, seems to me in terms of turning this company around, the other key area is ge capital. how would you en

a kind of infringement on microsoft's trademarks in that way, microsoft was able to seize control of those fake web sites, those fake domains they were using and essentially watch these guys commit crimes using the fake microsoft sites. >> exactly. and now as a result of this, the gru is catching on and they're using microsoft themed web addresses less and less. it's pretty rare now. >> that's fascinating. > but it definitely gave microsoft an advantage for awhile. >> i want to ask you about senator mccaskill specifically. she put out a statement in response to your reporting that said while this attack was not successful it is outrageous they think they can get away with this. i will not be intimidated. i've said it before and i'll say it again, putin is a thug and bully. she says it was not successful. is it absolutely clear from your reporting that this attack definitely wasn't successful? i mean is there a way to know if this was just one attack on claire mccaskill, she would seem to be a valuable target for them. do we know and can we tell if other attacks or other varians of th

we are the only set of twins to both sell companies to microsoft. a lot of the things we have done are similar. >> think our differences are part of what make us unique. i think i am more of a stress case. my brother is more easy-going comparatively. emily: you were born in tehran. you were six years old when the iran-iraq war broke out. what was living through that like? >> it was horrific. my childhood, i remember feeling scared almost all of the time. either scared of my neighborhood being bombed, which is certainly was, and i also remember always being worried about something would happen to my parents. that i would come home from school and i would not have my parents there anymore. there was a period during the bombardment when we would spend overnights in the basement holding our ears, because our neighborhood was actually being bombed. so that was also pretty rough. i will say though, having gotten out of that, it is certainly something that makes me feel much stronger, because i feel like i can take on anything. if you can survive that, it