melissa hanham, from the middlebury institute, thank you. and in the day's other news t in the day's other news, there's word president trump has exchanged private messages with robert mueller, the special counsel for the russia investigation. "usa today" reports mr. trump has sent messages of "appreciation" through his attorney to mueller. the president has publicly called the russia probe a "witch-hunt" and was said to be considering firing mueller. at least seven people are dead, after a powerful earthquake rocked southwest china. the quake struck near a national park in sichuan province. more than 80 people were injured. separately, further south, rescue crews worked to find survivors of a landslide caused by heavy rains. at least 23 people were killed there. in south africa, embattled president jacob zuma survived yet another vote of no- confidence today. zuma's been dogged by allegations of corruption and a sinking economy. he would have had to resign if the motion had succeeded. members of parliament voted in a secret ballot. afterwar

the middlebury event is well known and has been widely discussed in the media. the bloomington lecture is less known but i think it can teach us something important about liberal education today. in particular about free speech and pluralism and disagreement. i think it also, it also might is taking free speech disagreement and pluralism seriously is not such an easy task. quite the contrary i'm afraid. marie was invited so there are few details about the strict marie was about to speak in bloomington about the 2016 elections as the author of coming apart, book he published in 2012. the invitation was extended by a small group of students, two students to be precise. [laughing] that formed a very small american enterprise institute chapter on campus and informal group not registered to university on the bloomington campus. the main sponsor of the talk was the american enterprise institute, and the smalltalk program by the honor of electing at indiana chose to cosponsor it without offering a monetary compensation. the reason for doing so is this past semester, li

from middlebury, massachusetts, hi, eddy. caller: good, how are you? host: doing fine. shipp is a hack, the emphasis of the d.n.c., probably hacked because of schultz, you know. korea, back to north he's a nut. he killed his brother, executed and he's in kahoots diversion., it is china ng in ukraine and advancing into the south seas, shores of vietnam and philippines, whatnot, that is the problem, it's really russia and china have you to worry about. host: thanks, victor from bar harbor, maine, hello there. isis to hange from north kore a. host: okay. think, i hope there is and plan to invade ccupy -- because if you don't occu a lot of lives lost. host: do you see this actually that, ng, something like victor? don't see , i do, i other way. going nowhere. host: anything else, victor? thanks for calling. making news es" this morning as far as administration is concerned. pence denouncing article that came out over the weekend about what ambitions for 2020, they say mr. pence declared loyalty to the resident on sunday, denounced "new york times" article suggesting he was

temperatures waking up party morning 73 in middlebury and manassas. 74 in columbia. 75 and upper marlboro. 75 degrees in downtown washington. most of the rain gets out of your pretty quickly tonight. very warm and humid air mass. the moisture will stay close to the ground so haze and fog a possibility. that was like our best time frame, 4:30 to 7:30 tomorrow evening. then we will get a change in the wind direction and dry it out. tomorrow, 90 feeling closer to 100. mid-to-late afternoon evening showers and thunderstorms look likely. the weekend will clear out. still muggy saturday morning. plenty of sunshine and 88 sunday. the region will be partly cloudy, partly eclipse monday. hot on tuesday and wednesday. to the end of next week am a little improvement in temperatures as we go from the midpoint of august getting into the third week and beyond in august. we will see what happens to september. maybe we will go back to a really hot stretch. maybe we won't. you just don't know. makes it fun. makes it interesting. alison: safe to say life is good lately for prince george's county's own kevi

. >> reporter: jeffrey lewis, a nuclear policy expert at middlebury institute of international studies. we need to take it seriously. we need to be calm, measured and know there are things we can do. first, you duck. and then, you cover. >> but don't expect those 50s era civil defense drills, emergency management officials in hawaii are launching a campaign to teach people what to do in the aftermath of a nuclear blast. >> we're working on notifications from pacific command to get the word out to stay inside. stay tuned. >> once a launch is detected. officials estimate people in hawaii would only have about a 15-minute warning before the missile strikes. >> based on the test that he has done so far, in north korea, these are smaller devices, you put those in honolulu, or, in the, central honolulu area, still have a lot of survivors. it doesn't take out the island. >> reporter: hawaii's emphasis is on sheltering in place up to two waeeeks to protect as many from the radio active fallout. but, for a state with an economy that relies heavily on tourism, there are concerns. in a statement,

narrator: here is the middlebury institute for international studies, which houses the center for nonproliferation by dr. william potter. he and his colleagues work with students to teach them about the consequences of nuclear weapons in today's world and preparing them to be leaders in the future. potter: my own preferred approach to this subject is not to lecture my students but to enable them to engage in role-playing, engaging in simulations of international negotiations dealing with nuclear issues. "we can all agree that our world would be a safer place without nuclear weapons." overall, people are saying a lot of the same things, and i think if you can tune your ear to listen for that, that's really going to pave the way for progress in the future. potter: this is the most important dimension, learning to see through the eyes of others, gaining empathy. so i wanted to be iran because i'm actually a reservist in the u.s. army. potter: and what i typically will do with my students is to have my american students playing the roles of egypt and iran. clark: we welcome the nuclear weapon states a

nd we saw what happened, even at middlebury college, and vermont, not far from where i went to schoolthe riots. there seems to be a very literal for real exchange, robust exchange of ideas. that is what college is supposed to be about, isn't it? exchanging ideas? >> absolutely. a university is the place where exchange of ideas it should place, free speech should take place. it's tragic, especially that berkeley of all places, the home of the free speechgi movement in 1963, should now be suppressing free speech in this way. >> laura: richard, do you get upset when people say, i'll pray for you? to that bug you? >> [laughs] i take it as rather fun. i don't mind that at all. >> laura: have you ever. speak of what i was a child, i thought as a a child. i understood as a child. but when i became a man -- >> laura: i got at. >> okay. i used p to have childish thing. to be when i got it. richard, we appreciate it. of course i willil pray for you. it's great to have you on. after the break, tucker will be back to interview a former planned parenthood worker about what really goes on inside an

and a scholar at the middlebury institute of international studies. and we have scott snyder, director of the program on u.s./korea policy for the council on foreign relations. yes, thank you. jeffrey, let me start with you. you wrote this article nearly a year ago now. ominously warning, quote, north korea's nuke program is way more sophisticated than you think. this week's news that north korea has militarized the nuclear warhead and holds a bigger status than first thought, i imagine that did not surprise you one iota. the question is, why didn't the government seem to know what you were spotlighting in december 2016? >> well, all the evidence was there. the north koreans would repeatedly say this was their goal and show off all the pieces and release pictures and videos. at the end of things, the north koreans were crystal clear this is where it was heading. i think what happened was even though the warnings were clear, we don't know what to do about it. when you don't have a plan, it is far easier to come up with something not real or not going t

the students at middlebury college who blocked a conservative from speaking weren't on the right they were on the left. be clear here, what we're faced with in this country. we should condemn neonazis. they are an anti-christian toe tail tearian, anti-'mettic movement. we should condemn them. we should condemn racism on both sides. and i think you have a very strong case here, there are people who have been out there advocating shooting cops, those weren't right wingers. let's be clear. there is more than enough blame on both right and the left to say we're tired of all of you. cut it out or we're going to put you in jail. >> sean: let me ask about the president saying, you know, he spoke out on saturday, i read his tweets again. he spoke out on monday. he spoke out today. he said it again and again and again. specifically naming them. he said that he waited until he had facts. i compared it to what obama did. obama rushed to judgment, george zimmerman, trevon martin, freddy gray baltimore, was wrong on all counts he didn't wait for evidence, testimony, facts to come in. was it right

hanham is a senior research associate at the james martin center for nonproliferation studies at the middleburytitute. thank you both for being here. mike, let's start with you because you wrote the paper. you come out with a notion that north korea has advanced from middle-range missiles to icbms fast than any country has and your notion is they got technology, they stole the technology, specifically, from eastern ukraine. what's the evidence? >> the enjing they are using for the longer-range missiles has an appearance that's very similar to a well-known engine family that originates in russia and ukraine, and i've talked with sources that are -- that have been to some facilities in ukraine and n the recent time, and they've seen the modifications that would have to be made from this existing engine of russian-ukrainian heritage to the one we see in the north korean missiles. and that happened rather recently, and one even bragged about having made the transformation or the remodeling of the pumping system. then you look at the performance characteristics of the engine in th north korean missi