to discuss some of it and now i'm joined by miles pumper a senior fellow at the middlebury institute of international studies at monterey mr pumper it's great to talk to you thank you very much for your time. my pleasure now let's start with the now doubly new start treaty which while being considered one of the last remaining bad drugs of arms control was extended essentially over the phone in a conversation between presidents putin and biden is that a sign of how crucial that treaty is or how on the country in consequence where there's no i think it's a sign of how. essential it is really is the bedrock of strategic stability.

discuss some of that and now i'm joined by miles pumper a senior fellow at did middlebury institute of international studies at monterey mr pumper it's great to talk to you thank you very much for your time thanks for having me my pleasure now * let's start with the now doubly new start treaty which while being considered one of the last remaining bad jokes of arms control was extended essentially over the phone in a conversation between presidents putin and biden is that a sign of how crucial that treaty is or how on the country in concert crash no it is no i think it's a sign of how how important and essential it is it really is the bedrock of strategic stability these are the most dangerous weapons in the world you're in a continental ballistic missiles or submarine launch ballistic missiles these are you know weapons i could destroy whole cities and even more so it's essential that we have some limits and some insight into each other's arsenals with these weapons now this treaty which was signed a decade ago by. different presidents are i'll be close allies of the current leader is if locked the russian