, of course that was stupid because i was in middleton ohio, i looked at her said no but my girlfriendoes and i got in my car and drove away, i didn't want to admit to going to an ivy league school back home. >> if i went to yale i would say i had gone to yale. >> the focus on this show is that, we can tell -- >> you are in the mainstream now. let me ask you a question about hope, because you write in your book someone once said hope is the best medicine. in our family and community, in that attorney's office hope wasn't the finest remedy it was the only one we knew. talk about hope. tell me, tell the story about that attorney that your father went to to try to get legal status, and what happened? >> so this attorney gave us a card and this person is helping people, they are helping who had worst situations that you guys, so we went to this attorney and my dad had high hopes and he was desperate at this point, and we gave him money, said he could help, and he stopped calling. and we went back in his, and his office was gone. >> wow. >> everything was gone, and that was the breaking poi