midwin charles, attorney and founder of the midwin charles and associates.of the daily podcast and host of the democracy-ish podcast, cynthia, former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. peter, let's start with you on this. you have the exclusive reporting on this. and we just touched on this at the very surface. what else was said? and what else was the energy here that kelly was trying to present? >> he presented himself pretty well as the anti-trump in some ways. he took issue with many of trump's most controversial and high-profile policies. including north korea. trump has tried, through personal diplomacy, to convince north korean leader kim jong un to give up nuclear weapons. john kelly, who was chief of staff for almost a year and a half at the white house, made clear that was a fool's errand. that north korea was never going to give up its nuclear weapons and that, in fact, kim jong un was buying time, in essence, to continue the program. while trump was negotiating. he also talked about lieutenant colonel alexander vindman, and was -- portra