we've also got the director of the centre for migration and economic prosperity, stephen walsh. e, we've got the former labour party adviser, matthew torbitt. and i'll start with you and little bit tone deaf, i think, to be helping to grow the economies of malawi and zambia at the moment. >> it's completely and utterly outrageous. i mean, this is just typical, isn't it, of a government headed up by a prime minister who has openly said he prefers to be in davos. you know, this government is more concerned about spending money all over the place in foreign countries. i mean, the particular the particular outrage here is that we over a quarter of under—fives in some depnved quarter of under—fives in some deprived areas of great britain are not reaching the educational standards that they need to be. and yet we have got money to be educating children in malawi. it's completely outrageous. >> i mean, how can they actually justify that? seriously? so on the day our economy shrunk again, looming recession, children in the surrey area, they're saying that they're basically going to have

my panel this evening are the ex—tory mp anna firth, the director of the centre for migration and economic prosperityhen wolf, and the former labour party adviser matthew torbitt. oh, and this is a little bit nuts. okay, so there's a man tearing down christmas lights all over the place. we need your help to catch the suffolk scrooge. get ready britain, here we go. labour's tanking the economy while sending your money to malawi. next. >> good evening. i'm will hollis with your top stories at 9:00. nothing of a sensitive nature was discussed between the duke of york and a suspected chinese spy. according to the duke's office. a statement says the duke of york followed advice from his majesty's government and ceased all contact with the individual after concerns were raised. the man, known only as h6, was said to be a close confidant of the prince and reportedly invited to the duke's birthday. in other news, the prime minister has said the world should be cautious about what comes next in syria. speaking during a virtual meeting of the g7, sir keir starmer told allies while welcoming the syrian regime's

so joining me now, director of the centre for migration and economic prosperity, thank you very muchor joining me. right. so let's forjoining me. right. so let's have a chat. let's. good. good to talk to you. speaking to stephen wolf. stephen wolf, talk to me. what is going on? what should they have scrapped rwanda. was that a mistake? >> i know you had a good christmas as well. >> i know i forget my own name from time to time. don't worry. when i wake up first thing in the morning. yeah. no, i mean, of course, scrapping rwanda was a terrible idea. and it. because it was the only real deterrent. and in you've raised the numbers of over 150,000 have crossed the channel by the small boats since 2018. and if you put that in context, that's like a city the size of portsmouth unitary authority or gateshead, for example, that ignores those that have come across in other ways, whether they've come on planes and also those who are still coming on the backs of lorries. less so, but that adds numbers and also include excludes those who've come here on visas and overstayed. if you add those num

director of the centre of migration and economic prosperity. it's stephen wolf . prosperity. stephen wolf. i've got senior reporter at guido fawkes, ellie wheatley and former labour party adviser matthew torbitt. stephen, i'll start with you. look, that, for me, was absolutely astonishing. that really. i mean, he doesn't seem to be behaving like a man who. and i'm sure he will say he does take paedophilia very seriously. i'm not trying to drag him into that, but he's not really behaving like a bloke who does.is really behaving like a bloke who does. is he? >> he's not a man that's behaving like a decent man, patronising , haughty, arrogant, patronising, haughty, arrogant, self—serving . all of these come self—serving. all of these come to mind and some of it comes into the words that he used. he didn't use peasants revolt . he didn't use peasants revolt. he used revolting peasants. that is the same language of clinton when she said those things she said about the citizens of america, the same things that the deplorables. it's that kind of mindset. and what i find fascinating