ago or less for the reach out to our chief political editor, michaela christner, as she happened to be at the press conference. mikaela is this an attempt by 2 major you countries to present a united front? absolutely, and it's of course very much needed with their indeed being different positions within the european union when it comes to relations with russia. at the same time, we heard him on my call, the french president who off. so as a token to this evening fest out what is meant by ross's threat in much more detail when it comes to hybrid threads that russia was developing into a force of instability here in europe. and that this was a very disconcerting situation, which hadn't reached an end position. so a lot of worries that over what the future of european stability could be. and also both him on my call, but particularly bullet saw it, the german sansa pointing out those decades old documents that set out what that security order was supposed to be, which russia has signed off on, including the joint commitment never to change european borders. once again, well, this has happened in ukraine already with the