mike baker is here. he is a best-selling author, former member of israel's top counterterror unit and the founder of a leading manufacturer of law enforcement products. he specializes in late '80s hair metal drumming. aaron cohen is here. heavy metal hair metal. i want to start with you, mike. two of these three attackers were already known to authorities, we are being told. one of them it's being reported that a friend called one of these hotlines and reported him because he was obsessed with hate preaching youtube videos. and also police were warned that at least one of them was actively radicalizing children in local parks, giving them treats and candy. the theme, much like we signed manchester and orlando and san bernardino, at least some if not all of the terrorists already on law enforcement's radar. help me out. how does this keep happening? >> mike: this is why the public sometimes loses their mind, and the top line story you hear is that it it's an intel failure or law enforcement failure. the r

melissa: former cia operative mike baker joins us with her take.t did you think of her response? a commission. >> you know, fine. you had to come out forcefully. others in the british authorities have said the same thing. you have to do that, immediately come out and say it. in earlier times we would have called this a hate crime. melissa: right. >> that is what it is. now, we call it a terrorist attack, that's fine. i think there is some sense if you don't call it a terrorist attack somehow you're minimizing it. by know means do you want to do that. melissa: right. >> we'll find out more about the driver, the perpetrator they arrested and started to identify but clearly motivated by hate. melissa: to me it's a symptom of the fact that london feels so out of control he right now. it feels like no one's safe, no one's in charge. just it has that sort of feel to it, and not, i mean obviously this is a horrible response but it is more in the cycle of things at that rut of control. >> right. look, they really are kind of taking it on the chin right now

marshal and cnn law enforcement analyst, and mike baker, former cia operative here with me. our layout, what would be the protocol be at this moment? you're talking about one of the most visible landmarks in paris, one of the most visited historic sites in paris, and police basically trying to have it on lockdown at the moment, telling people to avoid the area. what's the protocol right now? >> i mean, the protocols have been laid out pretty well by law enforcement and security forces there around that area. i mean, that is one of the most visible landmarks in paris, so any time there's any type of attack, they do have a standard protocol that they go into. and here we have an individual using a hammer, a pretty crude weapon. it's almost as if it's a suicide by cop in this particular instance. what's interesting is that the individual is still alive, which is great that they can get some deep intel from him as to what his motive is. that's going to be the key part here, what is his motive. i mean, you have to jump right to the assumption that this is some type of terror atta

ambassador to nato and greece, nicholas burns and mike baker. thanks so much for being with us. ambassador, i want to start with you on the subject of russia. you caused quite a stir when you testified the president, his lack of response to russia represent as dereliction of the duty to defend the country. why such strong words? >> well, because they are warranted because there is a systematic cyber attack by the russian government on our elections. it was repeated in the dutch, french and now german elections. there's no doubt about it, the intelligence agencies in the united states are conclusive on that. in response, president trump has not investigated what happened to us back in 2016. he's not initiated any effort to build our defenses because we have midterms coming up in 2018 and another presidential election in 2020. he has not actually worked with our european allies to have a collective response to russia and he's not supporting strong sanctions with the senate republicans want to put forward toward russia. his first duty is to defend the country. we have been assaulte

mike baker. ke, welcome back. >> those are anonymous sources who apparently got their knickers in a twist who are upset because they weren't consulted with. it's speculation on the part of the reporting outlets talking about this, that somehow this was not coordinated within a small group of sensitive intelligence when we are talking about preparations by any country for a chemical weapons attack. so the idea this would be closely held shouldn't surprise a lot of people. at the same time, it also wouldn't be a surprise given past performance if the white house received these briefings within the intel community and decided to act on it without that broader coordination that some folks seem upset about or that the news outlets are referring to as the main story here. kennedy: "buzzfeed" says they have five defense department sources who are say telling them the same thing. my question is, is this a sign that the white house doesn't trust the state department and department of defense? >> the civili

on the phone now is former cia -- do we have mike baker? is he on the phone? >> that would be me. >> good evening, mike, thank you for joining us. >> thanks. >> such awful circumstances, what do you make of all this? >> well, yeah, it's like groundhog day. one thing after another. i agree with what danny was saying a few minutes ago, be aware, understand the environment that you live in, but the problem is that nobody, including people in a war zone are going to be on high alert all the time. you can't do it. it's not humanly possible, so now in the past we would say look, you go to public space, into a transportation hub to a concert, be aware you're in that setting and raise alert level a little bit. bur now we're talking about individuals coming out of a mosque. people walking down westminster bridge or london bridge, it's not possible, if you're out on the street on a daily basis to be constantly aware of your environment. >> it's completely overwhelming. >> yeah, completely overwhelming. it's not really a new world order in the sense that, look, people in

here to discuss, mike baker, boyd matheson and ford o'connell. going to mike because he's in studio. everyone from both sides of the siefl like 702 is important, even though it's abused, people are snared in this thing more often than not. is it really that important that they have this much ability to spy whether 702 or someone leaks as referred to in a comey statement. >> it is important. people will say look at my background, i'm subjective. i'm here to tell you that over almost a decade, they did not, and look, they have not found an intentional misuse of 702 of the act, and essentially without it -- charles: mike, when you say, that though, does that include what we're seeing with the unmasking and leaking of information to the newspapers? doesn't that come in that? i heard that statement today? how do we know mike flynn and some of the adventures of mike flynn, possible adventures of mike flynn without leaking and abuse of the 702 program. >> i can't speak to the unmasking issue, that's coming up. it would be speculation to say that. from o

mike baker joins me now, a former cia covert operations officer and president of a global intelligencend security firm. we were talking during the break, you said that it is significant that the attacker is still alive. >> it sounds like he took a couple of rounds and sometimes those shots don't work out that while for the perpetrator. if he is alive, it's a good thing and i'm not saying that necessarily out of the goodness of my heart. from an operational perspective, you've got to learn whatever you can from someone like this. even if it's just "what caused you to do this?" , there's always this conversation that doesn't seem to be directly coordinated by isis or al qaeda. what caused him to do this? it might provide some very important insight down the road? >> melissa: we are also following new developments are london, a clip from the documentary "the jihadis next door" which reportedly shows one of the attackers in it. >> one that is regularly adopted by extremists, including isis. i can't help but think he is being actively provocative. the prayer session ends and the police arri

"the wall street journal" global economics editor jon hilsenrath former cia diligence cofounder mike bakerr being here. dagen: we need an mike's face every time you mention this young woman leaked this classified information to the media outlet we need we are isolated shots all morning long of mike's face. >> poker face -- >> mouthing -- >> find leaker what do you think about that should that be happening. >> the leakers on all efz issues, anybody -- anybody who signs up and you do, you sign an agreement that if you are going to be handling classified confidential information if you take on that responsibility you willingly take it on you want that job, then that is a contract that is -- and it is a national security issue. people can't keep files shut they don't see problem with it case they haven't been consequences so, yes, absolutely, find the leakers and there need to be where is this special investigator on that why isn't there a special investigator on that issue? >> yeah, that is above my pay grade, yeah -- >>. dagen: should go to prison for a decade up instead of a edward snowden

mike baker and kristin tate. krista and i will start with you. think it was a big misstep for the president to begin his legislative push with recalling obamacare and this is where he should have started? >> absolutely. i'm thrilled he is talking about the structure. first of all the president cares deeply about the issue. he knows it. i am super thrilled that he's talking about and we talked about this before. so often the left believes the only fix we have is to throw more money at it or taxpayer dollars in the fact is they are doing great work on transportation issues in d.c. and now we have a chance to try some of these out. and corporatized inger traffic control and by the way it's only a part of a paper tiger that how do we get government out of the airport business and how do they let airports be self sufficient? kennedy: you cite talmet these. >> amazing legislation that would allow us to raise hundreds of aliens of dollars without a single penny coming from federal money. kennedy: it's difficult to cut taxes and increase spending by tril

meantime, we have mike baker here with us on that.you remind us, it's the ones that succeed, not the ones that don't. this was a would have, could have kind of dangerous one. >> i'm glad you're talking about the story. it's getting little coverage. you know, you're right. as you pointed out, the only time you hear about law enforcement or the intel community when it comes to counter terrorism is when something goes wrong. it's a human effort. also in the world of counter terrorism, you never prevent everything. nobody that works in this business believes you'll stop everything. this is a story that has gotten out that is important to understand and for several reasons. after the attacks, resent attacks in london, after some of the incidents here in the u.s., we started to develop this mindset that the only model for terrorism is the lone wolf. maybe they're connected, maybe not, maybe they're lone wolfs. but at the same time, we have lost site of al-quaida, isis, hezbollah, they're busy planning, plotting and trying to do something bi

mike baker is joining us and captain gail harris.sen to be the department of defense lead for the developing intelligence policy for cyber warfare. captain, does winner have an argument here to say she's a whistle blower and why or why not? >> not really. when you're assigned security clearances as part of the training, pretty intense training, you are told that you are not authorized to share that information with people who don't have security clearances or outside organizations without permission. and the punishment for that can be pretty strict. for instance, in my first assignment, not only are you not supposed to share it, but if you have custody, in my first assignment, i had a classified library and we're getting ready to do an operational deployment, my squad drron and when you com back you do the same thing. as fate would have it, i was in the hospital having surgery and so i did not conduct the initial inventory and when i came back i was missing several documents. i was looking at jail time. but the investigation said tha

liz: bring in former cia covert operations officer mike baker, joins me now. >> thank you, liz. liz: anything from the training that might prepare you for this? >> well, look, the problem you is never always in a high state of alert, right? if you're in theater of war, in the military and out in iraq, afghanistan, and you're on patrol, you're a top level alert, meaning you are hyper aware of what's going on around. body is anticipating a problem. that's very, very helpful because when things start to head south, what tends to happen you is lock up, and vision starts to go, hearing starts to go, major muscles, what you are relying on and that usually is fight or flee. but the problem is you're at a congressional softball game, practice for baseball. you are out and about shopping, you're not in that position. when something like this happens, people lock up and there's not much can you do to prepare for it because it's just completely unexpected. liz: yeah, congressman mike bishop of michigan, he was there. he said it was clear that the shooter was hunting the republicans. that's

mike baker, i want your take on this. let me play the sound bite. this is how sean spicer, white house press secretary, answered a question about does the president believe russia was behind the hack. this was just yesterday. listen to this. >> does president trump believe that the russian government interfered in the 2016 elections? >> i think i have not sat down and talked to him about that specific thing. >> the conversation about russian interference in our elections, there's 16 intelligence agencies that say that they did. the former fbi director said without a doubt the russians -- >> i have seen the reports. >> does the president share those views? >> i have not sat down and asked him about a specific reaction to them. >> that's the answer from the white house, mike. you have -- i don't need to listen to that again. you have 17 intelligence agencies, they say russia is behind the hack. jeh johnson reiterate -- there was a democrat or republican who took issue with when jeh johnson said plain and simple it was russia behind the hack. you spent

mike baker joins us from new york bureau. we also have tom fuentes in fair fax, virginia. tom, let me start with you. if viewers are hearing one guy with a hammer haelallegedly run at or attacking the police, one insin instinct might be a terrible event. i think the other instinct is this is the new face of what we're seeing more and more sadly, isn't it? >> if the motivation is on behalf of whether it's isis, al qaeda, some form of terrorist ideology and he's going to hit you with a hammer, that's a terrorist act. and the fact that it's not an ak 47, if you're the recipient of that hammer on top of your head it's terrorism to you and it could be many other people. the french in these earlier attacks that we saw during some of the other incidents, we saw many, many french police officers who were gunned down because they weren't even armed including the woman officer that was directing traffic. so if you take out a hammer and start going after people, there might not even be enough police officers in the area to prevent loss of life to the tourists and other people in that

. >> i want to bring in mike baker, former covert operations officer, of a global and intelligence securityus, mike. you heard what some of the criticisms are and that is move away from these probes that are happening on the hill. there are four in congress right now. and one of the thoughts here is that it's distracting from what is a major concern and that's our elections and the security of them. this is something you specialize in. what's your thought on the time frame that we really need to start directing our energy towards again preventing any meddling in the election process? >> i think in a sense we're behind the curve on that one and you're right to point this out. the big issue here, if you sweep away the partisan politics of it all is this all started with the concept of, you know, what were the russians doing? were they meddling in the elections and the answer is yes, of course. they have been meddling in our elections for generations. go back to the beginning of the 1940s when they spent time and money and effort here in the u.s. trying to influence public opinion to keep us i

also with us, former cia operative mike baker.o both of you and lindsey, your reaction, first, just to that quote from that former administration official on the, i feel like we choked. do you feel like the obama administration choked on handling this? >> well, i think it's really troubling, because obviously, whatever the obama administration did, in terms of repercussions, was too little and too late. and i think what's most frightening about it is it shows exactly how putin had worked the administration and frankly our country into a check mate position. that is, obama was sort of caught between a rock and a hard place, if he was really going to come down publicly on putin for meddling in the election, of course that would be interpreted by the trump administration and by a large part of the american public as him trying to influence the election in favor of hillary clinton. so, what's really -- >> politics. >> what's really scary about this, politics aside, is how the country has been maneuvered into an untenable position by p

robe suave, and mike baker. and comedian and host of part of the problem. welcome back, everyone. >> my fast it intro you have ever given me. kennedy: mine, too. i know there are republican senators who have so much issues with this. people like mike lee, ted cruz, rand paul. and for people like lisa murkowski and susan collins, they don't want to cut finding for planned parenthood. >> the three people you named are the only ones who would be on board with that. i like marco rubio describing the exact opposite of what the legislative process in the senate is. rand paul proposed the read the bill amendment? he thought it was insane. we are all voting on things none of us have read. it has been written by lobbyists. we are presented with a 2,000-page bill. we are not matt damon in "goodwill hunting." kennedy: democrat chuck schumer reached out to mitch mcconnell, at least let's discuss this over scotch and hookers like real men used to. it may not have been that exact terminology, but it was something like that. but republicans are terrified of being criticiz

mike baker, what you make of this attack? >> london authorities are right when they say you've got to condemn extremism no matter what it is. this is not rocket science. a van drove into a car of muslims coming out of a mosque. it is ramadan so it's about a quarter, 20 after midnight. we don't have to sit in angst and think about what this is all about. this is anger welling up from the recent attacks most likely taking place in london. whether the concert bombing -- maria: you look at the four attacks in three months and try to put together similarities as if it says are related, but this doesn't seem to be that. >> i'm not one to sit and overthink something like this. we have to just look at it, be pragmatic and this is a response to what's been happening. and it's wrong. people always talk about this equivalency. if you do drug campaigns can you lower yourself to the level of terrorists. i don't think that's the case. i've never had a problem in populations differentiating myself from the bad guys. but something like this

. >> jon: mike baker. >> julie: russia threatening the u.s.n american war planes shoots down a syrian fighter jet. the jet reportedly dropped bombs near the u.s. moscow warns it will consider u.s.-led coalition planes as targets. hi, connor. >> the already dangerous situation in syria becoming all the more so this weekend, the pentagon says a syrian jet dropped bombs near the u.s., those troops say that the regime has regularly been targeting them. in retaliation, the u.s. military aircraft shot down a syrian jet. the pentagon saying that it wasn't self-defense essentially, russia also condemning the move and saying that they are now going to cut the communication channel between the u.s. and russia that has been established to prevent these types of incidents. russia saying they didn't not consider any aircraft a potential target. this really speaks to the problem, just how tight a space, how many different aspects of isis are fighting each other. they were ultimately restored, this is the type of situation that people have been looking at. t

. >> joining us to discuss mike baker, this is a dramatic change in tone for the prime minister.gh is enough. what do you dhi she means by that? >> it will be interesting to see. she's voicing the frustration that the general population there is feeling after essentially three horrific attacks in three months. >> that apparently aren't connected. these are different cells. >> they are connected in a sense of it's all the same 30,000 foot jihadism. whether it's directly associated or controlled by isis, or al qaeda, whomever, from the jihadist point of view, isis doesn't care whether the perpetrators on the london bridge were true believes or just latched on to this ideology at the last moment. as long as they carry out the attack. i think what's happened is theresa may is sensing what is a growing frustration in the general public and also i can say this much. i have worked with the met in the past on counterterrorism operations. i know they are feeling the same level of frustration. the question is just like with hash tag campaigns and shrines and all those things that happen, j

joining us is former cia covert operations mike baker.his much more closely than i have. i think from a distance there is a perceived change in mood, and i think the brits are demanding a different approach from their government, go get them. what say you? >> you're right. signal after three attacks essentially three months i think this will signal a sea change in sort of the perception, certainly by politicians. what that means it, has to be translated as you know, they will have to bang this out in parliament. they will have to have a public discussion what this means. it is great to say enough is enough. great to say we have to stop being politically correct. reality, services, in the uk, u.s., allies are doing everything they can within the confines of the law. stuart: yes. >> once you say enough is enough, as theresa may will find out shortly you have to follow that up to revise existing laws, surveillance protocals, what you can do opening investigation, how you monitor somebody on the internet. there will be a great deal of discuss

mike baker is back with me on this. john mccain calls it murder, mike, by the north korean regime.you agree? >> it's hard to say it's not. you are going to say it's wrongful imprisonment, cruel mistreatment of a prisoner. i don't know what else to call it. he attempted, according to their story to take a propaganda poster from the hotel he was staying after being there a while. people around the states would think that's a college prank, taking a poster off a wall. he's dead because of it. now, i don't think we need to get too wrapped up in what we call his death. the question becomes, what do we do about it? what is the response. we have sanctioned them almost to the point of there are no other steps we can take and sanlgs them. we are not going to do a military strike. that's not a proportional response. do we pressure the chai sneeze as we talked in the past, that's the only leverage we can hope to have on behavior change. >> former spokesman for obama edward john kirby was in the state department when warmbier was captured. he was there when it went down. he had this to say abo

thanks to our specialists mike baker and aaron cohen. follow us on social media, specialistsfnc on twitter and facebook. 5:00 will never be the same. "special report" coming up now. >> bret: this is a fox news alert. welcome to washington. i am bret baier. the show that it seems everyone in washington wants to see will go on. today, white house spokesperson said president trump will not stop fired fbi director james comey from testifying before congress this week. thursday, comey is scheduled to testify before the senate intelligence committee about whether president trump pressured him to drop the investigation into former national security advisor michael flynn's possible ties to russia. after all the leaks and the chatter, comey will finally answer questions. catherine herridge reports on what the senators want to hear. >> president trump decided against blocking testimony thursday. mr. trump weighed options over the weekend. >> the president's power to exert executive privilege is very well established. in order to facilitate a swift

as you are discussing with mike baker, backing terrorism. in particular the muslim brotherhood. after the qatar news agency praising i've been and calling hamas a legitimate representative of the palestinian people. this is high-stakes with each of the administration was qatar hosting the u.s. military base in the middle east. several installations by the way. secretary rex tillerson urging calm in response to the news. >> we certainly would encourage the parties to sit down together and address these differences. if there's any role we can play in terms of helping them addressed those, i do not expect that this will have any significant impact if any impact at all on the unified fight against terrorism in the region. reporter: again maria, big news out of the middle east. you've got to break it as is well paced and in a back to, maria.treat your right to britih prime minister theresa may speaking at the terrorist attack. let's listen in. >> in just a few short days. i believe it was essential for the british government to be in the strongest possible position going into those t

stuart: thank you, mike baker.s about to fall into what could be a real financial meltdown. it has a backlog of bills worth 13 billion unpaid, they don't have the money to pay it. we're all over this story. stuart: nike will sell products directly on amazon. nike is up, amazon is up. foot locker a competitor of nike. they're not in good shape if nike has access to amount son. foot looker down 5 1/2%. it is all about amazon, isn't it. >>> illinois facing a full-fledged budget crisis. if they don't get a budget a week away they won't be able to pay lotto winners. that is pretty bad, emac. liz: officials say we're like a banana republic. we haven't passed a budget in three years. comptroller says we have to pay debts ahead of other debts than pensions. powerball, megamillions may go away by june 30th. this state has lost more residents than any other state. 700,000 people left illinois last 10 years. now they're talking about tax hikes again to fix the problem. stuart: last night governor rauner agreed to tax hikes as

with me, former cia operative mike baker, co-founder of the intel and security firm diligent. ear errol louis is here, and a.b. stoddard is here, with real clear politics. and joan, let's start with you, where jessica schneider rightly left off. this is coming before the supreme court, this travel ban. did the president hurt his case before the court? will the justices look at these statements on twitter this morning? >> well, lower court judges have looked at what he said extracurricularly like this, and it is up there right now, and the justices have asked the challengers to respond to the government's petition by next week. and the key question has been, what did he say during the campaign and what did he say afterward? the administration lawyers have said don't go back to the campaign statements, look only at what he's done since, but each week, each month, each day almost, donald trump is giving the courts and the challengers more ammunition to say that this is something that's targeted toward certain people based on religion. he used the phrase politically correct, polit

marshal and cnn law enforcement analyst, and mike baker, former

. >> joining me now is cofounder, of diligence llc former cia operative mike baker i don't know where you par chuted in. >> at the compound right now secret -- a secret location, except i got a picture of it behind me. >> [laughter]. >> michael, twitter, also a seems like a -- gator bought a fan boat. >> your boat -- >> is this -- fans a significant step in focusing on national security? >> well, you know it has become outsized thing that is chewing up a lot of political capital and a lot of attention and it really didn't need to, it -- it is important and it should be done, and the previous managers obama managers identified outlined same problem because of messaging issues discipline out of white house current administration unfortunately taken on concept somehow travel ban is critical for national security, well it is an element of national security. it is a very simple process, you've got these nations that are failed states, and the previous administration agreed, and the idea being well, let's take a break let's review internally our processes for how we how we do a the vetting,

we've got former cia operative mike baker in the middle and former u.s. diplomat morgan.on, you know? there has to be policies that go with her stronger words now. for example, we've talked about lone wolfs over the years. usually they're known wolfs. and what we've done and our law enforcement agencies have gone back on cold cases and said is there any development in this case and tried to reopen any cases that are hot again? those are the kinds of policies that have to follow up those tough words. steve: mike, all they would have to do is turn on their television because one of these jihad ease was in a tove show called the jihadis next door. >> what the public is willing to put up with in terms of security is a pendulum that swings back and forth between security and civil liberties and privacy issues. and typically that thing is always being calibrated based on the public's perception of the threat. after an attack or after a series of attacks, that pendulum swings over to security, and they're willing to put up with a bit more. now, frankly we're all like rat coons.

in the reagan white house, which is now romanticized, jim baker came from one direction, mike dever came from another, the national security counselor came from another, reagan presided over the whole thing. and reagan in the end made the decisions. the same thing is happening here. they brought in a lot of really smart people from many different directions. people talk about goldman sachs, they've had a lot of alumni there. on the other hand, stephen bannon, and here is bannon, the nationalist, it's hardly -- it's a tribute to how good they are. it's the harvard of financial investing. in the end, it comes down to one person. like franklin delano roosevelt or evan lincoln or ronald reagan, that one person has a pretty good sense of where he wants to go. and trump routinely runs over everybody, routinely opposes them, gets them back on track. this is a very bold, very dramatic and profoundly transformational direction. >> tucker: that's reassuring from a man who understands truck. thank you. journalists are saying tonight that trumps rhetoric is placing them in physical danger. time to g

county executive rushern baker responding to a demand from the naacp. >> time is 4:43, 75 warm degrees. mikewill have a look of the warm forecast and what you can expect today as were he continue. >> ♪ >> ♪ >> this is fox5 news morning. >> time now is 4:45. here's a look at the stories we've been following for you today, friday, june 30th and it's breaking news from overseas. an international watchdog group has confirmed nerve gas was used in an attack on a syrian town in april. that attack killed more than 90 people including women and children. it led the u.s. to conduct an air strike on the syrian military base believed to have prepared that attack. >> man is dead and another recovering after an accident in prince george's county last night. that crash between a car and a van happened on indian head highway near pine drive in accokeek. the driver of the van died at the hospital. >> and we could see a draft bill today in a revised version of senate republicans healthcare bill. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell wanted to make changes to the bill after republicans failed to vote on it b

very similar to what happened in indiana when mike pence was governor, when he and the indiana legislature pass add law that essentially gave immunity to bakershotographers and people who did not want to participate in any sort of business relationship with same-sex marriages. there was a tremendous backlash to that, and the law was changed, but the issue emaremai. there was another supreme court decision today. a 6-3 decision overturning an arkansas -- was it arkansas? i think it was arkansas. was it arkansas? i'm blanking all of a sudden. yes, arkansas law that said same-sex couple kocould not hav both their names on their children's birth certificates. they overturned it and said you have to treat same-sex couples essentially identically to opposite sex couples. the question of whether individual conscience allows you to not participate in same-sex unions in a way that you can't have individual conscious to say i will not participate in racial intermarriage i will not participate in religious intermarriage. that's the question that really is before the court, and it's a tough one. >> and, jeff, for all the court did say today, there was so

baker. we also have nbc news senior correspondent tom brokaw along with mike barnicle, willie geist and of course chief of staff perspective, i'd love to know how you would characterize how this administration is being run. >> well, i think they're getting some things done. and i have to confess to you that i voted for donald trump because -- >> my goodness. >> i'm a republican. and i'm a conservative. and i thought the country was moving in the wrong direction. they've done some things right and they've done some things wrong. which you might expect of any administration. basically i think the most important thing is that the president empower a strong chief of staff give him or her the authority to run the place and then back them up. and that they find a way to impose some sort of message discipline on the administration. >> if that person isn't reince priebus, who do you think could fill that position given the dynamics? >> i'm not saying it shouldn't be reince priebus. reince priebus did a very fine job running the rnc. and did a good job in the campaign. but he needs to be empowered. i said