he will surely come back in some way. >> and now we have the audio feed from mike barnicle. he art. let's play it. >> okay, mike. >> in boston, massachusetts, i tell you. in boston, massachusetts. >> lame mire, you managed to spk to us via skype or however you're speaking. give us your rundown on the race and what happens next for joe kennedy? >> mike, we're thinking of you. please, come back. yeah, i think bob is exactly right. i think that this is not the end of joe kennedy. and we've been discussing. there never seemed to be a real purpose to this race. so, some in the party, as we talked last hour, thought that he was rushing into this, that he wasn't ready. he surveyed the field, saw that it would be tough down the road with congresswoman ayanna pressley, would be a formidable challenger for the senate seat down the road in a future cycle, so he jumped in here. and i think there was a thought that the senator, senator markey, might step aside, bow out to the kennedy name, but he chose not to. and as we've been saying, and bob underscored there nicely, too, you know, he r

just remember that. >> so, mike barnicle, the president saying, quote, it's a shame.his happen, creating a number 2.5 million, pulling that number out of thin air and comparing it to the 202,000 deaths, saying in comparison to that, it's not so bad. the president is doing more than always wanting to play it down, as you told bob woodward, he's ignoring it, literally in the situation of that first case, what he would say to the 200,000 families who are suffering right now. >> whatfault? i choked? i didn't do my job? he's not going to say any of that, willie. i have to tell you, the last 20 minutes of this conversation is both enlightening and depressing at the same time. but it's a conversation i think the nation has to have going on until november and maybe even beyond. it is the realization that everything we heard this morning, every snippet we heard from donald j. trump, the president of the united states, is further indication and proof that he has changed our country. he has changed our country for the worst. if it's irreparably changed, we'll find out as time ha

but mike barnicle, this has also been a theme of donald trump's for some time.p has been talking about, my government, my military, the fact that he's going to serve more than the constitutionally mandated limit of eight years. that he's going to have a third term. trying to undermine the results of the election from the very beginning. talking about how yesterday he wouldn't guarantee the peaceful transfer of power. that requires a closer examination and we're going to have to be able to do two things at once. we're going to have to follow him down this rabbit trail because this rabbit trail may lead to the worst constitutional crisis for american democracy that we've had since the civil war. and also you have a president who continues to tell us who he is. a man who does not respect constitutional norms. a man who does not respect checks and balances that james madison and our founders put on presidential power back in -- you know, back in 1789. all of these things -- or 1787. all of these things donald trump has contempt for and is ignorant of and right now i

joining us, jonathan lemire, mike barnicle is back with us as well.n lemire, that republicans will do anything to protect trump, which is kind of a frightening scenario when you look at what was revealed in those tax returns. >> mika, this was extraordinarily predictable. the republicans have, with very few exceptions, refused to challenge the president on any sort of misbehavior, whether illegal or just improper. and what we saw yesterday was a chorus mostly of silence, and those republicans and conservative voices that did speak out struck those notes. blaming the system. blaming -- suggesting that the problem was not that the president didn't pay taxes but how we learned that the president didn't pay taxes or only paid $750 in federal income taxes a year. and the chorus considered last night on conservative media, fox news and others, like giving the president credit for outsmarting the system. suggesting this is just proof that he is a great businessman and a great negotiator because of his ability to avoid those taxes. of course, leaving out the

there will be people that we cannot rescue in the hospital still. >> hopefully -- mike barnicle is with>> doctor, i can't imagine a group of americans who are more filled with fear and anxiety over the virus than young parents, about the decision whether to send their child to preschool, kindergarten or first grade. what would you tell them? >> the first thing -- i just sent my kids back to school, in-class learning here in connecticut. i think the first thing to look at is what the local prevalence is. is the local infection is low, it's a safer environment to send kids back to school. i think when kids go back to school, it's prudent for schools to take precaution. mask wearing, trying to bias teaching towards outside the classroom, if you can hold classrooms outside, be mindful around lunch if you're delivering food in the school, that's a point where you can have mixing of kids. so, the more you can keep kids sort of separated in discreet social groups and not have them intermingling with other children, that will reduce risk. we need to think of risk as cumulative. if you're going

mike barnicle, 19 years on, hard to believe that number jumps out at you.the news these days, so much to talk about, think about and process that the date skrecreeps up on more every year. what are your thoughts today, 19 years later? >> willie, you just eluded to one of my principle thaoughts yu worry and wonder whether the memory of that day, the impact of that day and all that followed it will be diminished a bit by what we ensudure each an every day by the politics of the moment. yesterday i went to a small ceremony in bedford, massachusetts, a town about 20 miles west of boston. it was held by two families, both from the town of belmont, massachusetts. and it was by the concord river, a few miles down from the old north bridge, the shot heard around the world, by a bridge that was named in honor of two sons, john hart, 20 when he was killed in iraq in october of 2003 and travis dezidirio who was 19 when he was killed in at the lieu ja in october of 2004. the two families stood there. they weren't angry, they weren't yelling, they weren't ideological. t

and mike barnicle, two points, going back to march.ow, take the churchill model we said that in march, take the churchill model. he always told the british people how bleak things were in may of 1940 and beyond and into the fall and into the winter of '41. he always let them know that they were fighting for their very survival, never tried to sugar-coat it. it's just something that donald trump could not do also, i must say, here he is still flopping around, trying to figure out what his strategy was. in early march, he was getting phone calls from rahm emanuel -- not rahm, from zeke emanuel, every other day. and you know, i spoke to zeke on the phone, who was beyond himself and practically frantic, and saying throughout early march, the window is closing, the window is closing. he kept calling the president, saying, mr. president, yes, nobody has died yet. and the infections are still not high, but the window is closing. and he kept saying that until, finally, at one point, like bob, he just gave up because the window had closed, and

contributor mike barnicle is with us, we hope.e school of public affairs at the school of texas, victoria de-francesco-soto. you understand right now, barn cal is 3 to 1 odds his microphone doesn't work answering the first question. let's see if you invested your money wisely. let's talk about tom seaver, talked about the new york post headline, tom seaver the greatest met ever dies. talk about the man, talk about his incredible career. >> well, tom seaver was an artist. to watch him perform on the mound was an incredible experience. he was a legitimate hall of famer before they voted him into the hall of fame. one of my favorite stories occurred during the last year of his career when as you noted earlier, joe, he was with the boston red sox. he comes to the red sox and prior to his first appearance on the mound with the red sox, he's in the bull pen warming up with the catcher for the red sox, rich gedman, and gedman told me they warmed up and prior to the game, they're walking from the bullpen to the dugout for him to take the

. >>> welcome back to "morning joe" it is thursday september 17th with us we have mike barnicle and errinuse correspondent for "the new york times" peter baker and correspondent for pbs news hour amnva lavs president trump and the director of the cdc are at odds over the timing of a coronavirus vaccine and the importance of wearing masks. here's robert redfield in a senate hearing yesterday testifying that a vaccine will not be widely distributed until spring or summer of next year. >> i think there will be vaccine that initially will be available sometime between november and december, but very limited supply and will have to be prioritized. if you're asking me when is it going to be generally available to the american public so we can begin to take advantage of vaccine to get back to our regular life, i think we're probably looking at third -- late second quarter, third quarter 2021 >> i think he made a mistake when he said that. it's just incorrect information. and i called him and he didn't tell me that i think he got the message maybe confused maybe it was stated incorrectly. we're r

. >> well, first of all, joe, apologizes for borrowing mike barnicle's audio this morning. but you're right, from the early days of the pandemic, the president decided to politicize masks. once there was a consensus that masks were helpful, stop the spread of the virus, he decided this could be a culture issue. remember the liberate rallies we saw, they got coverage on fox news, the president watched that. and also he saw it as vanity. he figured it would focus more on the health point than the economy. it was last week, you'll recall that the cdc director testified and said that a mask, in his estimation, would be more effective than a vaccine in terms of stopping the spread of the virus, in terms of protecting himself and others -- >> say that again. >> the cdc director last week testified before congress and said that in his estimation, wearing a mask was more effective than a vaccine in terms of preventing the spread of the virus and protecting himself and others. i asked the president in the white house briefing room on that and said, you have poured a lot of energy in

msnbc contributor mike barnicle, white house reporter for the soap soap, jan thjonathan lamir with bbcrica, post of the new podcast "when catty met carlos," katty kay. and former press secretary for president obama, robert kbibzgi and editor of the "washington post" and author of the book "rage," bob woodward. and jason johnson is still with us as well. >> so, bob woodward, thank you so much for being with us. i don't think your title of the book has ever been more appropriate than what happened last night from donald trump yelling throughout the entire debate, interrupting, and then sending a message to the white boys to stand back and -- the proud boys -- to stand back and stand by. what were your thoughts on the debate? >> well, the first is, i spent lots of this year listening to trump, talking to him for hours. and what's interesting -- so many of these things he said last night he has said before. in fact, i think he said almost nothing original last night. what does that tell us? he did not prepare for the debate. he figured, i'll just wing it. and of course, winging it describe