melissa: mike barrett, this is great point. wee don't know who we're giving the planes to. >> i used to live in turkey. i love it as a country. we see islamist oriented government has taken over the reins in terms of military. they put the senior military officers on trial. as a result they now exert a lot more political influence over this. while i agree with judy on the point the egyptian military is the not problem. what i'm worried who will give orders to the egyptian military in a year, two years, three years. melissa: what is the best way to play that? we all agree there is a lot of uncertainty in the situation. it is incredibly volatile. everyone in charge or in power over there may or may not be our friends. but at the same time, withdrawing everything brings its own peril. michael rubin, let me start with you. what do you think is the best way to respond to maintain influence but, you know, not turn over weapons to people who will use them against us or our allies? >> first of all, we have to underrtand that egypt shou

mike barrett is the c.e.o. of security consulting firm diligent innovations. you have say there are three ways to lay out the claim. >> first, that assad is planning on using the weapons. that is troubling because if that is true he is authorizing the use and we will see more chemical weapons used. another option is that the senior military leaders decided to use the weapons without his permission which obviously shows there is chaos in the ranks. that would be bad. and, third, the rebels have faked this incident in order to try and draw outside forts like the united states and the criminal lies and that is not good, either, it could end up with us going in under false pretenses. >>shepard: there is a red line we have said on that matter. is anyone suggesting one of those is what they are leaning toward? >> this is right now in the middle of the fog of war. a challenge is syria we do not know who the players are other what is happening on the ground. we have amazing intelligence gathering capability the reality is people on the ground don't know. when you hear

former intelligence officer mike barrett joins us, the c.e.o. of security consulting firm diligent innovation. this could change the israelis' plan? >>guest: it is a fairly advanced system. what you get is upgraded radar and the ability to take down the missiles you shoot in first. a major tactic when you attack using aircraft you want to send in antiradiation missile to take out the radar but if iran has a high are number of missile sites that changes the equation and it puts a certain amount of uncertainty. they are truck mounted and it creates a lot of unnopes so you have to rethink the attack plan from the israeli point of view. >>shepard: would the world try to stop this exchange from happening? >>reporter: the russians in 2009 agreed to sell them but there was tremendous pressure by the united states and the israel and other world powers to prevent that sale and that gives you a good indication of how advanced the missiles are. it is a game changer. a challenge with military is that the technology comes in leaps leaps leaps and bounds and