. >> i'm joined now by retired officers mike bished is -- mike byrd and russell williams. communities of color beyond that in your opinions what is the source of these tensions? >> it's mostly frustration. you know, and people are taking their frustrations out and i blame the administrations. the police officers are just doing what they've been taught to did which is enforce the laws of their respective city state, and local government. and sometimes, yeah you do have certain officers that go above and beyond that. but however it's more so, deposit is turning their backs on a lot of the people. >> when you saw these demonstrations after ferguson here in new york after eric garner here in new york what went through your minds? >> a lot of people took it on as being antidk police. you can be -- anti-police. you can be beyond stop and frisk, you can be against brutality. who wants to be in favor brutality? i understand the frustration they feel, they feel like they're being targeted unfairly. so i didn't take it personally. i know a lot of people do. that they feel well, cont