senator mike braun joins us. want to explain that?g to happen is the industry is dug in to try to keep themselves opaque, not embracing competition. when i took them on 11 years ago in my own business, to make it consumer-driven, focused on wellness, covering pre-existing conditions and no caps on coverage, nobody thought it could be done. we did it then despite the industry but i was the exception. they have grown cozy, they are comfortable and we as republicans are always foot draggers when it comes to reforming stuff that needs to be reformed. health care has not been participating in free enterprise. if they were, we wouldn't have this issue or discussion of medicare for all. stuart: how much sentiment is there in congress for a real transformation of health care again? we had obamacare, what, eight, nine years ago, whatever it was, a few years ago. are we ready for another major transition? are we? >> that was doomed to fail then because it was big health insurance and big government. never when that happens do things get more ef