mike braun believes that american police officers are too protected.t the ones that have been shot in the head recently. under current law, police officers benefit from something called qualified immunity. qualified immunity means that cops can't be personally suedd when they accidentally violate people's rights while conducting their duties. they can be sued personally when they do with intentionally and they often are. they are not above the law and never have been. including in civil court. cops who make lesser mistakes can be disciplined, suspended, or fired and they often are. that's the system we have noww and works pretty well. a civil immunity has precisely nothing to do with anything that happened in the george floyd case, just in case you're wondering. that cop is in jail. qualified immunity has worked so ill because police officers more than anyone else in society must make difficult split-second decisions on the job when we do it constantly whether to arrest someone, to conduct a search, to use force against a suspect. sometimes, actions th

recovered is republican senator mike braun of indiana, himself a successful businessman. thanks for being with us. this is a big day for you because you are introducing a bill to congress to help address some of the concerns about policing efforts that, and the tragic killing of george floyd --d tells about what that the tragic killing of george floyd. tell us about that bill and what it does. sen. braun: we will the tim scott bill voted on. i believe that -- i believe for republicans and democrats, we have to do something more than the lower hanging fruit we both toeed to joint that comes this discussion of qualified immunity. for business owners, people that come from main street like myself, accountability and transparency are a way of life. for law enforcement, they are grappling with something that has stigmatized their business,

i had senator mike braun on earlier. for instance, he wants to go there on qualified immunity.raham. if there is a compromise here that allows some form of the immunity to stick but you also, it isn't a shield for a bad cop, there's a potential bipartisanship consensus. is that your goal, to reach out to individual members and build a consensus that way? or are you saying, okay, senate, go pass a bill and then i'll see you in conference. >> either/or. i will tell you that obviously my focus right now is passing this bill out of the house and i am proud to say that we have over 220 democrats that have signed up because they know this is bold, they know this is transformative. and i believe that my republican colleagues will come along. maybe not in our time frame, because it is very quick. but the fact that they're introducing bills themselves that hit along the edges of what we're doing, that makes me feel very hopeful. >> are you, i talked to congressman jim clyburn about this last week. if you get a couple of things in a bipartisan bill, and it gets sent to the president, is

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republican senator mike braun of indiana proposed a bill to try to find a middle ground and joins us good to have you on the broadcast this morning. >> good to be on. >> credit to you for giving it the old college try in those final moments there. senator lindsey graham told my colleague lauren fox this morning that he thinks that at this point the differences are so wide that there won't be any legislation before november. i wonder if you agree. has the moment passed? >> i agree with lindsey, but i think it's more of a political gap than a substance gap other and on qualified immunity and i could sense that early. i've been here a year and a half and weighed in more vocally than any republican senator on reforming health care. i think it's a broken industry. most of us here defend it. same dynamic. police reform is different in the sense that it does such a generally good job, but i think with these horrific cases we've had something needs to give. tim scott's bill actually had a lot of overlap with the democrats' bill, but they wanted to eliminate qualified immunity. they wanted to

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let's welcome indiana senator mike braun. what do you think?ooks like right now it is at a stand still. a lot of tim scott's bill has similarities and the democrat bill. the author was made to have amendments which we all like because not everyone agrees with the template of a given bill. i have actually put out a discussion on qualified immunity which is the meatiest issue that is not being addressed in our bell. one of the amendments where you can get the democrats on board. it appears that we are getting into that old turf or situation where for reasons outside of the merit of what is in tim's bill, that will have the option of amendments and, i am putting it out there where i know that there is a lot of silent support for it, republicans need to know more about it, nobody wants to eliminate qualified immunity. i am interested in reforming it aired iut think there are many democrats interested in that as well. we probably won't even get to talk about it because of the politics involved. >> it is interesting you bring that up. let me back up.

joining me now is mike braun of indiana.ink the discussion about qualified immunity is so important and you're leading on it. i want to delve into it. right now the law of qualified immunity means you can't sue a police officer unless you can prove that he or she violated a clearly established constitutional right. what does that mean, clearly established, what&why do you think that standard is too high? >> when the legal cause was crafted, there was no concept of immunity. and it's gotten yes to the point where any organization has to have transparency and accountabili accountability. >> what makes it tricky here is law and order is so important and it's now being stigmatized of instances. in law enforcement's own best interests, i think you need to find a way to get that basic accountability that all other entities live with, so you can do your job and not have the stigmatizing that's occurring currently with not accepting some accountability. this is where the rubber will meet the road in terms of real reform. and it's al

i want to bring in a mike braun.m bill aiming for a scaled-back, legal protections for police and lawsuits over issues like excessive force for civil rights violations. i want to ask you, what is your take on the fact that the democrats look like they are going to want to debate on this bill? >> i just spoke to tim scott, the senator on the bill, i may cosponsor. i think it's terrible because it's got so much in it that's also in the democratic legislation. so i think this is a moment in time, if they do that it simply to keep him and us from moving some basic reform in place, and i introduced the qualified immunity component to put it out there as a template. i think that could be the place where we actually may get some bipartisan support. it's been considered off-limits eliminating it by the president and most republicans including myself. but reforming it to take away that stigma that's currently impacting law enforcement, we heard the president talk about what a job they're doing on the border. we don't hear muc

let's which in indiana senator mike braun.do you think. >> you're right it is at a standstill. we have done everything we can, a lot of tim scott bill has similarities in the democrat bill. the offer was made to have amendments which we all like because not everybody agrees with the template of a given bill. i've actually put out a discussion on qualified immunity which is the immediate issue not being addressed in our bill. so, i was hoping that that might be the bridge that would be as one of the amendments where you could get the democrats on board and it appears that we're getting into that old turf war situation where for reasons outside of the merit of what's in tim's bill, that we'll have the option of amendments, and i'm putting it out there where i know there is a lot of silent support for it, republicans need to know more about it. nobody wants to eliminate qualified immunity. i'm interested in reforming it and i think there are many democrats interested in that as well but we probably won't even get to talk about it

today, indiana republican senator mike braun said his party needs to go further on qualified immunity. and, california democratic representative karen bass, who chairs the congressional black caucus, voiced hope. >> when i hear that many of our proposals have been incorporated in what i hear is coming out of the senate. in a different way, not as strong, not as powerful, but it makes me feel like there is a pathway for us to do this. >> alcindor: meanwhile, in atlanta, the district attorney announced the policeman who killed rayshard brooks last week is being charged with murder and 10 other offenses. officer garret rolfe shot brooks in the back and then kicked him while on he was on the ground fighting for his life, the d.a. said. rolfe has since been fired, and a second officer was put on desk duty. that second officer is now charged with aggravated assault for standing on brooks' shoulders after he was shot. he has told prosecutors he is willing to testify against rolfe. the officers were trying to arrest brooks for falling asleep at a drive through and failing a sobriety test. for

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. >> indiana republican senator mike braun is expected to introduce a bill next week that would reformfied immunity. >> egregious instances that there is accountability and you are not protected like other elements of society and make sure you are not hampering the toughest job that is out there with frivolous lawsuits. >> tim scott has warned removing qualified immunity for officers is a poison pill. fine-tuning it to allow lawsuits against police department to cities and not individual officers would be a way to address this 40 issue. shannon: brand-new fox news poll on the presidential campaign next. >> democratic senator amy klobuchar, joe biden, a woman of color as his running mate. >> this is what the biden situation looks like. women voters and black voters by 85-6% margin over donald trump, they disapprove of the way donald trump handled it. in rural areas, chances against biden. >> i see quotes all the time. long beautiful flowing sentences, i said joe didn't make that statement. >> claims made in john bolton's new book talking about chinese president xi about the upcoming ele

there have been 14 professional athletes who signed a letter to even a republican, senator mike braunhis is something that needs to be looked at. are you willing to considerg tweaking or do away with qualified immunity? sen. scott: it is a very important issue. it could be considered a poison pill for the vast majority of my conference. we already know that our focus on collecting information togh lead to the outcomes is a part of the bill that both sides agree on. at w dividee us is we better spend more tn the things that unite us, so we actuallypo haven unity to have a conversation where the american people can decide whetherthhe good f effort on the republican side and the good faith effort on the democrat side can lead to the effort of getting an billone. if we are only going to talk in this interview about the rarities of the democrats, that seems to be inauthentic in ueery winginlede dheayth.g the ability to de-escalate violence is a really important decision. if we can ain people who know how to get there, that is a great outcome for famili. that is a great outcome for communit

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. >> indiana republican senator mike braun expected to introduce a bill next week that would reform qualified immunity. >> in these egregious instances there's accountability and you're not protected, just like you weren't in other elements of society. make sure that you're not hampering already the toughest job that's out there with frivolous lawsuits. >> south carolina republican senator tim scott has warned removing qualified immunity for officers is a poison pill perhaps fine-tuning it to allow lawsuits against police departments or cities and not individual officers would be a way to address this thorny issue. bret. >> bret: all right, mike, thanks. u.su.s. of cream corn strikes on president trump's bid to end legal protections for the dreamers. we will explain all of it and the implications next. wherever you make go, lexus will welcome you back with exceptional offers. get zero percent financing and make no payments for up to 90 days on all 2020 lexus models. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. they get that no two people are alike and customize your car experience amazing insuran

. >> we had cnn republican mike braun on the air this morning and he talked about his own proposal whichis introducing legislation to scale back qualified immunity for police officers. that, of course, is an element of police reform democrats want not currently in the republican bill. i wonder, do you believe that that braun proposal could bridge the gap? >> well, i think we need to have discussions between democrats and republicans and have a base bill on the floor of the united states senate that's truly a bipartisan bill that makes a difference in policing in america. that's not where we are right now. leader mcconnell will move forward with a vote today on the scott bill which is a partisan bill and it does not accomplish the objectives of fundamental reform and it's a way in which the republican leader can check a box, but not get anything done. so we need to start with a bipartisan bill. >> but let's dig down a little bit more because when you look at the differences, they're not that vast, right? for instance, both the democratic and gop bills condition federal funding to local po

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mike braun plans to introduce a bill of qualified immunity.people can sue for money damages while eliminating frivolous lawsuits. >>> over to kentucky where the louisville police department has fired the officer involved in the fatal shooting of breonna taylor in march. officers shot the 26-year-old black emt eight times after breaking down her door as part of a narcotics investigation. the city's police chief wrote a letter to the detective informing him he was fired and calling his conduct a shock to the conscience. cnn has reached out to the officer and his attorney for comment. >>> still ahead, coronavirus in the womb. doctors are scratching their heads after a healthy mom gives birth to triplets who now have the virus. helpful to bank from almost anywhere. deposit a check with your phone or tablet. check balances, pay bills, and more. send money to people you know and trust with zelle. explore all you can do with our digital tools from almost anywhere. pnc bank. woke-up-like-this migraine medicine. the 3:40 mid-shift migraine medicine. it

possible starting point to break the deadlock is being offered by our next guest, republican senator mike brauna. thanks so much for joining us. i know this is an issue you're focusing on very closely. and that's called qualified immunity, which offers protections for law enforcement officers. it's been a major sticking point in police reform efforts. you seem to be breaking with your open party to introduce a new bill that seeks to redefine that standard. tell us why you're stepping out on your own right now. what's at stake? >> well, i've always conducting my life, running my business, embraced full transparency, accountability. i think it's what makes the world tick. and i have some difficulty when you try to be selective and where you want it to apply. i also looked because i believe law enforcement does such a tough job every time you get out there, it's risky. and i see that by hanging onto this version of qualified immunity, it allows too many instances where you see george floyds, rayshard brookss, it happens too repeatedly. i ask the question do you think it's going to fix itself natur

about the president's strategy on all of this right now, because you even heard republican senator mike braunh jim i still think that the president had to go through impeachment and all this and i still think he can get re-elected. >> you're starting to see members of congress, particularly senators, because the senate is such a huge political battleground in november. senate republicans are very nervous, rightly so, that they are going to lose the majority in the senate. you're starting to see a little bit of a change, something that we've seen very rarely herman cain and it's been one of the hallmarks of the trump presidency that republicans and congress have been really scared to speak out, even when privately they think that something he's saying or doing is ridiculous or reprehensible even, and the fact that there is a little bit of a shift is very likely reflective of what they are seeing and hearing in their home states, even among republicans. i mean, one of the main reasons that republicans have been reluctant to speak out against the president is because their base is the president'

>>and indiana republican senator mike braun agrees but only to a point i think it's time we change it not eliminate it but modify from will introduce legislation next week to keep some qualified immunity in place, but it would also enable. individuals that have some horrific example of what should not be protected it would enable that type of our repercussion bron thinks there's a chance to find some middle ground and there are democrats i think that will be interested in a modified version and there are some republicans i'm hoping that will come along the house and senate will begin debating the issue next week, reporting in washington, i'm trevor shirley. >>and duty celebrations taking place across the bay area we're going to show you a few of them ♪ ♪ discover what's possible for summer... at lowe's. >>28 and we're looking at a friday that's kind of hard to in some spots and john yeah, definitely a tough one to spot at a couple of our web cams could be pretty much anywhere near berkeley view right this is pretty much the same as looking at the golden gate bridge so to watch your tr

>>and indiana republican senator mike braun agrees but only to a point i think it's time we change it not eliminate it but modify from will introduce legislation next week to keep some qualified immunity in place, but it would also enable. individuals that have some horrific example of what should not be protected it would enable that type of our repercussion bron thinks there's a chance to find some middle ground and there are democrats i think that will be interested in a modified version and there are some republicans, i'm hoping that will come along the house and senate will begin debating the issue next week reporting in washington, i'm trevor shirley. >>and calls to defund the police have become a rallying cry across the country lawmakers are hearing those now and considering taking action we'll tell you what they're going to do. >>let's get a look at the weather. it's 9.30 and has the day shaping up so far john well it has been pretty foggy day for some of us some of us are already under the sunshine but berkeley, not just yet still some low clouds that are hanging out with you

meanwhile, republican senator mike braun of indiana is unveiling a bill today that aims to scale backfied immunity act which shields officers from actions in the line of duty. the proposed bill would pull back protections that let officers avoid being held personally liable in certain cases. the move sets up a potential collision with mcconnell who's backing another republican police reform bill that does not tackle this issue. and president trump, of course, who opposes reforming qualified immunity and senator braun of indiana joins us now. it's great to have you with us. explain how far you would like to go in this new proposed legislation, in rolling back qualified immunity. i think it's worth defining qualified immunity for our officers which protects officers from civil lawsuits in the line of duty. how would you like to change that? >> i don't want to eliminate it, you have to reform it. this law was originally established in 1871 and qualified immunity was no part of it. it evolved in the '60s and the '80s from just cause to established events. what it's done is made it almost

you've got folks like mike braun, republican senator of indiana who says he's willing to go farther than other republican colleagues and try to get rid of what's called qualified immunity, which is a major sticking point in these negotiations. what you are seeing develop now say little bit of concern among democrats that this white house or the republican party will go with a fig leaf approach to say they have addressed this problem without actually addressing it. that's something cory booker spoke to on the floor earlier this morning. take a listen to the senator from new jersey. >> this is not a choice between one side of an aisle or another. it's a choice between meaningful reforms in this moment or making symbolic gestures that will do nothing to save people's lives. it's a choice between action and inaction. >> and katy, that window for action is short. you mentioned senator thune's comments about trying to get this done before the fourth of july recess. after that, congress goes home for a few weeks. when they come back, they were expected to deal with their next coronavirus relief

joining me right now is indiana senator, mike braun. you on the program this morning, senator. thank you so much for joining us. i want to ask about qualified immunity. i spoke with the ag about that this this weekend. he said if you don't have qualified immunity protections for the police, you're not going to have many people want to go become police officers. >> yo.agree>> agree with that . that's talking about eliminating qualified immunity. i look at this in running a company for 37 years before i became a senator, every business has inherent liabilities to what they do and the business of law enforcement has got to be one of the most difficult and tricky ones out there because you suit up, your life is at risk every day, you never know what's going to happen. but when you evolve through the judicial review that's kind of protected unions to be able to maybe not have that accountability and transparency, you do not want your entity to be stigm stigmatized by cases. when you goat the point where that's kind of the emblem of what you

i feel like people like mike braun at least seems to be interested. find folks like that and try to convince the judiciary committee to take up a version of the dem bill? give me a process timeline here of what's feasible in your mind. >> you covered this just a number of weeks ago. when the democrats refused to get onto a bill covering covid because we said this is a republican bill. we refused to get on it. people said democrats are obstructing. no, because after it failed, we then did the right thing and worked in a bipartisan way to start talks to get to the bills that actually passed. this is not an end. and i'm already reaching out to my republican colleagues. many of whom have shown my good faith in engaging in talks already. this is not an end. this is, for me, a signal to work harder. to keep reaching out to folks. and i know for a fact to your point, that there are republican colleagues that favor things that are in our bill that we're going to try to work with to build a coalition. >> do you believe this is just a mcconnell issue? >> i beli

let's see what indiana senator mike braun says about that.h care. over $3,000 for a treatment of the virus seems like a lot of money to me, senator. >> sadly, stu, for the price of some drugs, that's a simple molecule drug, wait until you get into the biologics. humera is one of the more expensive ones. they advertise it for as little as $5 a month on tv. it costs, give or take, in the range of $75,000 per year. i think it's the most used drug across the spectrum. good news is at least we got something that may work as a therapeutic. sadly, i think that drug's been around for awhile and you would think by now it would be at the generic stage. so when you get a generic on something like that, it can be anywhere from 10% to 20% less down to as much as 70%, 80%, 90% less. that's the problem with health care in general. no transparency. the whole operation kind of runs behind the scenes. this will be a good indicator to see if they can get a generic to the market quickly and it should have been there already because that's a lot of money if you a

we told you last week, senator mike brown of indiana has entered legislation to make it easier for left-wing activists to sue police officers. we must do this, senator braun explained in part because rayshard brooks' death was egregious. >> i wanted to put a template out there that protects law enforcement from frivolous lawsuits but holds the egregious departments accountable in these instances of george floyd a rayshard brooks over breonna taylor. >> tucker: in case you suspect we somehow selectively edited that clip, here he is going all the way in endorsing black lives matter. >> do you support the black lives matter movement? >> i support that movement because it is addressing in an equity that has not been solved from a grassroots level. >> tucker: after a segment on thursday, asked to come on this show to detail his position and of course be happy to have him, thank you so much for coming on. before i ask you about qualified immunity and your attempts to water it down, i was very surprised by that endorsement that you gave on camera of black lives matter, black lives matter has of course called for the murder of police officers. why do you support