. >>> hln's mike brooks joins me live now. mike, obvious question here -- >> wow. >> let's start with wow. really, right? >> unbelievable. >> how do we find these guys now? >> number one, somebody had to have filed the papers with the orange county clerk's office. so who is in this with them? and, you know, they're from the orlando area. we don't know if they knew each other, but same prison, i'm sure they probably did. they're going to go back and look and say, who came to visit these two within the last couple of weeks before they were able to get these forged documents put through the clerk's office and go back to orange county sheriff's office and say, okay, do we have any video of possibly who filed these papers for these two inmates. so it's not a matter of if, but a matter of when these two inmates, these two escape es are back in prison. >> so lauchl officials are no stranger to court couples and evidence of forensics. but i doubt they would ever think for a minute that computer forensic experts and analysts would be tu

want to bring in mike brooks on the phone to talk a little bit about what we think is happening is law enforcement analyst and former d.c. police investigator. mike, we talk about these kinds of things all the times which is the sad thing when you think about it as so often we talk about these situations happening whether it's inside the school or right outside of the school. do you think first of all, the case in massachusetts, the fact that seven schools in the district were all shut down, were all closed today because of this, do you think that was appropriate action? what was behind that, do you suspect? >> i think it was, suzanne, because you've got this 149-year-old, we don't know if he's a sund, what the relationship was to colleen ritter, the 24-year-old math teacher. you've got five elementary schools, one middle school and you've got the high school which is an active crime scene right now. so i think the school system decided to go ahead and shut it down probably out of abundance of caution because we don't know if maybe there is any other person who might have been involved

mike brooks is joining us right now. law enforcement analyst. he's being held as an adult. charged as an adult. even though he's only 14 years owed. why do they do that? >> well, wolf, if they think they have the evidence to charge premeditation, if there's enough evidence to say he premeditated this, if it was so heinous, they could charge him as an adult by massachusetts law. but there's a lot of questions that remain unanswered here, wolf. especially as motive. why did he kill as a 14-year-old killed his 24-year-old math teacher and what was the relationship between these two at school? >> allegedly. >> allegedly. absolutely. >> because we don't have enough information. we know he was a student at the school. our reporter on the scene told us that. we don't know if he was a student in her classroom. we have no idea -- if she knew who he was. these are all questions ta local authorities have not yet answered. as a precaution, they've shut down all the schools in this town, seven other schools. that's presumably a good idea, right? >> i think it is. you have five elementar

detective mike brooks. investigators found a letter in carey's apartment addressed to her boyfriend and we're told it had suspicious white material in it and that the hazmat team apprehended it. where does the investigation go from here? how do they put all of this together? >> from what they may have found in the car to what they found in the apartment i'm sure they have now a pretty good idea on what the motive for her actions yesterday were, but you know, as you and i were talking at the break, sometimes -- when i was in d.c. we used to see people who were delusional come to the white house all the time but they weren't like this. they didn't act out such as this, but as soon as she ran that barricade at 50th and 80 and struck that uniform division secret service officer and took off, right there, assault on a federal officer and she backed into another u.s. capitol police cruiser right there in garr told circle, when the first shots were fired after she took off from there and wound up at second and mar

now i want to bring in our law enforcement analysts, mike brooks. he's on the phone.hool in this district. why would they do that? >> reporter: they're going to go ahead and close the high school because it still possibly be a crime scene. they decided to shut down the five elementary schools and one middle school and high school where the crime apparently took place in the second floor bathroom. and they're going to be serving a search warrant on the 14-year-old's house. and they want to know if he was acting alone. that's one of the other things. while they're conducting the investigation, they probably decided to go ahead and shut all of the schools down out of an abundance of caution in case this kid was not acting by himself. out of an abundance of caution, while they sort things out and have an active crime scene there at the high school, they just decided to control all of the schools. >> we've seen so much violence taking place in schools across the country. this one is striking, it seems to be so planned and targeted. >> reporter: yeah, it does. and we don't

police detective and hln law enforcement analyst mike brooks.hink took the undercover officer so long to come forward here? >> you know, john, that was my first kwgz when i heard about this because apparently there were actually two off-duty nypd cops there. now, one of them did not see what was going on. he was too far back. but apparently, this undercover detective did, but he didn't tell his officials, john, until wednesday night. so you know, now he's retained an attorney. what does that say to me? did he think that maybe he should have, even though he was in an undercover capacity, and off duty, did he feel he should have taken some kind of action? because john, even if he's undercover, i don't know what kind of case he was working on, but apparently, he was off duty, so -- but he would still be able to go up and intervene as a regular citizen and say, hey, knock that off. you shouldn't be doing this. but he didn't. did he fail to take police action after witnessing this? that's the big question. >> what are the different rules for differen

. >> reporter: mike brooks and tom fuentes also say the fact that miriam carey didn't turn out to havea bomb in the vehicle doesn't mean she did not have a weapon. they say she was driving a 3,000 pound weapon and she used it twice to strike police officers. wolf? >> brian todd reporting for us. thank you very much. please be sure to tune in to "ac 360" later tonight, 8:00 p.m. eastern. anderson will have an exclusive interview with miriam carey's sisters. he will join us, by the way, with a preview of that exclusive interview coming up at the top of the next hour. stay with us for that. >>> just ahead, my interview with leon panetta. he's held so many top positions in washington over the years, played a key role in the last government shutdown. i'll ask him how to fix the current crisis. >>> and we're following the breaking news. we're going to hear from witnesses to that horrible scene, a man here in washington on fire on the national mall. if yand you're talking toevere rheuyour rheumatologistike me, about trying or adding a biologic. this is humira, adalimumab. this is humira worki

however, we did speak to our two law enforcement analysts, mike brooks and tom fuentes.l. what they're saying is, look, at that moment when she finally was stopped, the third time, they had no way of knowing she was really finally stopped. that the last checkpoint or barricade or whatever it was that she actually, this came to a final conclusion and they shot her, that that was going to be the moment where this was all going to end. she had previously been stopped twice, one at the white house and once at the foot of the capitol by police. both times she broke away, striking police officers. they had no way of going whether this was going to come to an end, whether she was going to end it right then and there. >> i was having this discussion with a former nypd detective, and the e-mail said on the air, and somebody saw that and said, that car is a 1400-pound weapon. it's not as if she wasn't armed. >> that's right. everybody we talked to, that car, she was using that car as a weapon. the fact it appears now that they didn't find any firearm in the vehicle or any kind of

mike brooks, law enforcement analyst, she did the right thing. >> she absolutely did the right thing.her life, brooke. i think about the case in georgia we had not too long ago at a walmart where a little girl was snatched by a stranger. she hollered and kicked and screamed and it saved her life. same thing happened here. >> what about -- i know these forensically trained investigators have obviously been questioning this 8-year-old girl. how do you -- what kind of questions do you ask? >> well, they usually bring in someone who specializes in dealing with children. you know, it looks like she probably had maybe talked to her parents about if something like this happened. they were able at least to get a composite drawing of a white male with short blond hair. they believe he was driving a late model bmw, either silver or gray in color. this happened right around 16th and hanover. that's right off one of the main drags, colfax after, that runs through aurora into denver. so there's a lot of businesses around there. i guarantee you the investigators are combing, looking for surveillanc

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mike brooks is joining us, one of our cnn law enforcement analysts.here are you, mike, and what are you hearing? >> i'm in the newsroom here in studio seven in atlanta. and you know, we're looking at this, at this scene right here. you know, that's right near 1st and maryland avenue. constitution avenue, northeast, and if i could show you f we can get this to work. you see the vehicle here right in front of the kiosk. see here is this vehicle? and also, wolf, if you look at the evidence markers, it looks like these, as a former investigator, are possibly where it looks like maybe shell casings were. because this looks like the scene. and moments ago, we saw someone, i saw someone taken away by ambulance from the scene. we saw some u.s. capitol officers there with rubber gloves on, dealing with this car. so definitely this looks like the main crime scene at the end of this chase that we were seeing. >> all right, mike, stand by for a moment because i ione is on capitol hill as well. what are you seeing? >> we were exactly here, getting ready for anothe

. >> for more now, we're joined by michael o'hanlon of the brookings institution. hi, mike forces, this is obviously a much more risky approach than, say, using drone strikes against terror suspects. but isn't this also a far more effective approach from the point of view of gathering intelligence? >> i think that's exactly right. and even though we have been talking mostly about drones these last few months, let's not forget, we have a lot of troops on the ground in afghanistan who have been doing raids like this and continue to do rates like this. and we continue to risk their lives. and as you know, we tragically just lost four americans over the weekend in afghanistan. in other words, i don't think we've reached some point where the nation will not or cannot risk casualties. and for all the reasons you just mentioned, it's often quite preferable to approach things the way we did over the weekend in libya and in somalia. for one thing, you can also perhaps be a little more confident that you're not hurting innocent people, depending on the exact circumstances where the f

brooke goldstein. hope she doesn't can sell and mike baker. >> i hope he does. >> e block. last story.hat's the last story. >> yeah, the last story. well, japan has a space cannon, and we don't. thanks, obama. indeed the land of the rising sun has successfully test fired a space cannon which will eventually launch a projectile into an asteroid. what do they have against those things? the goal of the weapon of mass exploration? nothing short of understanding the origins of the universe. japan's aerospace declaration agency will collect fresh samples from just below the surface of the space rock. and they say it has the potential of revolutionizing our materials essential for understanding the planet formation and the emergence of life. but they would say that. rob, are you angry nasa isn't doing this? i am ticked off if you ask me. >> i am angry the japanese are doing this. we are space cannon. we have awakened monster. >> he is doing a godzilla movie. >> i hope he is not doing an asian impression. >> you were doing an old godzilla movie. i love the one with raymon burr. >> there was th