mike collins.ichael: at the beginning of the year after the trump trade, the markets were pricing in a funds rate of about 2.75. that is something we look at. we are long-term investors. today, this rally we have had, the markets are pricing in about 1.75, that is probably much closer to what is likely to be realized and closer to fair value. bull, you areond supposed to fade this rally a little bit because a lot of those lower rate hike expectations are being priced into the market. jonathan: kathleen, you want to weigh in? kathleen: i think the challenge for the markets is if you look at the short-term data, it says we should take a pause. when you look at what rates are pricing in over the next two years, it is only two and a half hikes. that is not enough for the economy. it is tough to be a bond bear. the risk with rates so low is there's a lot of downside left on the table. bob: do'listen to me. listen to brainard. she laid out a clear and precise path for fed tightening. when i look at maker

portfolioffey, manager at eaton vance management, and mike collins, senior investment officer.reat to have you on the desk with me this week. i just want to start here, the big chart. yields, spreads, and occurred that is flat. at, the otherook is 150, that's a to 10 spread. flat, flat, flat. i don't buy the inflation story anymore. what is it screaming to you? guest: the market is coming around to the view we have had. it's going to push the front end up. the long and is pricing in the slower growth. i think that is coming through in the treasury curve. i would argue there is more room to run in past cycles, i have charts of 230 spreads going back decades and typically, that gets to zero. typically when the fed is done hiking, let's say they get to 2% this cycle, you see yield around that level across the whole kurt. we will see if that plays out. jonathan: do you think we can go or get flat? guest: if they keep tightening and insist on hitting the 3%. they have, that's too much hiking. jonathan: kathy? guest: i think they are rising in weakness, but there is good demand out t

the swiss economy is on the road to recovery but inflation is still very low let's get back to mike collins you gave your concerns earlier on about the u.s. economy and the chinese economy topping out. the third major block from the world, the eu, is doing all right. things are on the up >> it has been doing all right if you look at the leading indicators, china and global trade have been up for the last 6, 12 months i think europe has ridden the coattails of that. now you're seeing some of those leading indicators roll over we may have seen the peaks in global growth and in european growth as a whole europe is growing >> terms of investment scenario, are you directing money towards europe if so, where >> the european credit markets, there's still some value you have this qe from the ecb. they have sucked the life out. >> where is the value? >> they sucked the life out of the bonds they're allowed to buy. so you buy the bonds that they have not purchased and as a u.s. primarily investor we can buy the european denominated, euro denominated bonds. sometimes they're u.s. companies issuing in

senators ted cruz, mike lee, ron johnson, ran paul, susan collins and dean heler say they cannot support a bill which might hurt the people that voted them into office. it could be moved back until after july 4. >> to virginia medicade estimate it will lose 1.4 billion in federal sport under the new healthcare bill. the numbers were released yesterday the big hit over a 7-year period t would impair the state ability to provide long term health care to those who need it most. state's concern is per capita limits on federal spending. >> violent crimes in d.c. have gone down. down 26% from last year. there is 36% decline in robberies and homicides are down 15%. d.c. police patrol chief credits task force that target criminals shortly attacks and sometimes before the potential crimes for the decline. >>> first "fox5" rather continues the request for answers over claims of grave fixing in prince george county schools. maryland calls for the board to investigate the claims. speaking with "fox5" hogan says the state board may have to bring in outside help. governor adding a prior investigation

you can see senator rand paul, senator ted cruz, mike lee, ron johnson, dean heller and susan collins. to change their minds, the vice president, mike pence, will be on capitol hill today having a series of meetings. first starting with lunch and one-on-one meetings finalizing with a dinner to try and get this moving forward today and passed finally on friday. >> edward lawrence. thank you. >>> this morning, the white house is warning president bashar al assad against the use of chemical sean spicer issued a statement last night saying the u.s. has spotted, quote, potential preparations for another chemical weapons attack. how the u.s. is prepared to respond at 6:00. >>> parts of president trump's travel ban could be in effect by thursday. the supreme court agreed to take up the case yesterday and until the argument is heard, allows part of the travel ban to be enforced. the justice department and tsa will work out how to roll out the new rules. >>> president trump is going after former president barack obama blaming him nor russia's interference in the election. in a series of tweets

your new scene with mike lee, ted cruz, susan collins?> any house member that does not move forward on the policies that many americans want -- >> neil: what is moving forward to? excepting something that is fatally flawed and conservatives are saying, it's just a lighter version of what we have out there? what is wrong with someone who stands up and says, i don't flip over this. i would like to try to make it better, but already katrina, the trump in the white house trying to have it primary challenge, simply because i spoke out? >> we do not represent the white house. if someone like rand paul or ted cruz says, i want something better. this is different. >> neil: he has said he liked it. he wants to see something better. >> no. he said he is not on board. >> neil: does now but he said. he also talked about how he is open to something be more cost effective and fair when it comes to medicaid treatment. a very big issue in estate. yes to nobody's dealing with >> it's a very big issue in all of the states, which is exactly why this process

among those at the table, conservatives ted cruz and mike lee and susan collins.hite house meeting is certainly important, but private gop meetings later today on capitol hill are viewed as even more critical test of whether senate republicans can begin to put pen to paper and turn weeks of talking into an actual piece of legislation. we expect to hear from the president momentarily as that lunch gets under way. yesterday he said anyone frustrated with the pace of obamacare repeal should blame the democrats. >> we will have zero backing from the democrats even though they should get in and do something, but we expect to get zero. if we had the greatest bill in the history of the world on health care, we wouldn't get one vote from the democrats because they're obstructionists. that's what they want to do. that's the game. they think that's their best political game. they're looking to '18. >> it would be a stronger case from the president if the republicans actually invited the democrats in at this point and invited the democrats to be part. they're not part of it.

people like rand paul, ted cruz, mike lee, or the moderate members like susan collins or lisa murkowskimembers really do listen to their constituents. and they know their states very, very well. so when people are protesting, showing up at town halls, speaking up about how this will harm their families. if you listen to what they've said, they're worried about rolling back medicare. how many seniors, howl individuals who won't be able to afford insurance because they have pre-existing conditions. these are real families. real lives. so speaking out to them makes a difference the medicaid cuts are big. thanks for joining us. >>> joining me now, senior adviser, national spokesperson. what have you learned? >> what we've learned is that we cannot be complacent. we have to keep our foot on the gas. we saw what happened in the house. the public scrutiny went away. and then we didn't hear anything for a while. we thought it was over. and then the thing, what you saw was, they were breaking, making deals behind the scenes and they rammed it through. so we have to be really, really vigilant her

you have rand paul, mike lee, conservatives, then on the other side, lisa murkowski, susan collins. for mitch mcconnell i'm going to sacrifice one end of this. who is it, and can they cobble together 50? >> that will be in the eye of the beholder, terrific question. there will be a lot of points of pressure i'm sure that both groups of senators will be applying, the senate leadership. let's talk about the conservatives for a moment here. i find it interesting that in this supposed group of 13 republican senators who have been part of this working group, trying to hash out a deal, mike lee, one, a conservative senator from utah, posted a video to his facebook page on tuesday and said, guys, this process has not been transparent, i agree with your concerns that this needed to be more out in the open. i myself haven't even seen the bill, and i'm part of the group that supposedly is providing input for a final draft here. so that's a fascinating thing to keep track of here. there's a lot of tension on the conservative side. i think a lot having to do with obamacare regulations, whether

charles: susan collins says pay for tax cuts. mike lee -- >> cuts. that is what i meant by that excuse me. when you look at that they're not jelling, they're not coming together to even hash things out. paul ryan, for example, he is hard, pushing hard for this border tax. republicans don't like it. the trump administration doesn't like it. steven mnuchin even said ia dead issue. neil: why does ryan keep pushing it. >> he keeps thinking he is head of budget committee. neil: he is speaker of the house! >> i talk to big investors they say there is not going to be a tax cut this year. neil: not at all? >> we can get into why. a few stocks are powering including amazon and talk about buying mergers and upping that bid which is net positive. when i talk to people on the hill, staffers for republicans they don't think it is going to happen either. why doesn't anybody think it is going to happen? you can blame ryan all you want i know i will get a lot of nasty tweets but too bad. this is president trump's problem. he has almost no stroke out there. he is not

you saw folks from susan collins and dean hell tore rand paul and mike lee expressing various objections to the bill. so it's trying to thread a needle while giving conservatives something they can get behind. >> it seems almost impossible to make both parties happy and they don't seem like they are part of the same party. where do we go from here? what happens or the course of the recess? >> you can expect if any members of congress are doing town hall event there will be lots of fun and fireworks going on with those. but leader mcconnell and republican leadership are going to presumably be nose to the grind stone and get the details of this hammered out. mostly if they have enough time we don't know if the cbo is going to be able to score this again. so they have got a lot of work to do and very little time to do it. kennedy: republicans like mike lee, they are trying to get them on board. both part ideas were unhappy with the thought having to vote on this week. that's not happening. let's talk about mike pence's role here. you say he's the most powerful vice president in u.s. history

a sudden they go on july 4th recess, return july 8th and susan collins' doubts of maine, doubts about the bill suddenly disappear, or mike lee or rand paul. these things, mark and i covered congress a long time together. usually when it sits out there, it becomes a pinata. what you don't want it sitting out there. seems unlikely to me that views today, that june 27, susan collins with view is radically different than the july 15th or pick a date in the future. i think they're right to try to push. i think it just delays what may wind up being inevitable. there just isn't a coalition between the senate and conservatives that get to 50. >> 50 is the key vote, mark, as you know. 52 republicans. 48 democrats, and independents that support the democrats, they lose two, they still win. >> right. >> because the vice president who's the president of the senate breaks the tie. they lose three, it's over. >> it's over and there are five now. that's five that have publicly come out and actually said that they don't want to move forward with it, but if you talk to republicans on capitol hill, quite fank rankly talk to democ, talking

mike lee and ted cruz are conservative senators, you've got susan collins a more moderate. how you craft a bill that both ends of their publican spectrum are going to like? >> rand paul is in that. these are influential senators who will carry others with them. we are not at point yet. mitch mcconnell should not be underestimated on this point. "the american medical associatid we oppose the bill because it would disproportionately hurt middle income families around the united states. you are going to get away without hurting somebody in this process. that's the issue that the republicans are wrestling with, how do we know maximize the political support that we are going to get, not just in the congress, but in the next election? >> jon: and obamacare first pass, nancy pelosi said we had to pass the bill before he can find out what's in it. would any senator consider passing this legislation and then kind of tinker around the edges with it over the years once they find out what the results are? >> whatever happens next is there's going to be a lot of tinkering to come. this

collins, who has elements of obamacare she wants in her state. what does that bill look like and how do you get there? >> you just don't, mike barni e barnicle. ure nev-- you're never going to. you keep susan collins without losing the freedom caucus and other people in the house. >> this is the better care wr k reconciliation act. that's funny in its own term. after speaking to several staff members yesterday, more then a few of them republican, is that the president of the united states in this, the hallmark of his administration is a nonparticipant. >> they told him to stay out of the way, right? >> yes. and that is astounding when you think of it. this is what he has built his early administration on, he and the republican party repealing obamacare, it's not happening and it might not ever happen. >> more than that, mika, his main pitch was i can get deals done. i know how to make deals. he's prove i don't know jun jusy insulting the house members and insulting the senate members. we warned him when he was on the cam papaig campaign, i'm going run over -- no, you're not. i know it looks look a dictatorship from whatever floor in trump towe

mike barnacle, there are senators like susan collins in maine.that heller in nevada can support this. there is no way rob portman can support this bill. it's just -- it's -- it's -- it would be devastating. especially for seniors, lower income, middle income seniors. also donald trump just -- i mean, a man that says he is not going to cut medicaid? what do we have here? what, 775 billion dollars in cuts? >> basically. the outlines of this bill as have been provided and steve, of course, has much more information than we all have, but the people who need health care the most, the elderly, the poor, the truly ill are going to be without health care, without health care policies. i mean, that's the way it looks. this bill is basically immoral in its foundation, and i don't know that they have a vote, joe. you know better about that than i do. i don't know that this constitutes a vote. >> it's not just the mitch mcconnell has made it difficult for people to say yes. they've made it easy to say no. susan collins said i have one in five people in my st

mike lee, ted cruz, rand paul. and for people like lisa murkowski and susan collins, they don't want to cut finding for planned parenthood. >> the three people you named are the only ones who would be on board with that. i like marco rubio describing the exact opposite of what the legislative process in the senate is. rand paul proposed the read the bill amendment? he thought it was insane. we are all voting on things none of us have read. it has been written by lobbyists. we are presented with a 2,000-page bill. we are not matt damon in "goodwill hunting." kennedy: democrat chuck schumer reached out to mitch mcconnell, at least let's discuss this over scotch and hookers like real men used to. it may not have been that exact terminology, but it was something like that. but republicans are terrified of being criticized by democrats. >> the idea that senator rubio would say the senate is not just someplace you can go behind closed doors and cook things up. of course, it is. where have you been operating, senator rubio. all i know, this topic may be above my pay grade. all i know is if the republicans don't get a legislativ

they are senators ted cruz, mike lee, lisa michalski, rob portman, susan collins, and rand paul. i have spoken today to a staffer who tells me that president trump reached out to the kentucky senator with a friendly call to see if there was anyway to get him off the fence and closer to supporting this bill that is coming from the senate leaders and not from the white house, even joking that the two of them may need to go play golf together soon. but senator paul did not make any chances to president trump speaking to the challenges facing g.o.p. leaders now as they try to repeal obamacare and replace it with something else in the next couple of weeks. shannon. >> shannon: all right, peter live on the hill. thank you. >> bill: editor for townhall.com, good morning. >> good morning. >> bill: how come? >> president trump campaigned on repealing obamacare, but he only campaigned once. republicans have been campaigning and election after election about how they are going to repeal obamacare, i think it is important to point out that the senate version of the bill that we are going to

conservatives, that they probably have too much -- too far to go for moderates like susan collins who i was just talking about. mike lee walked past about a half an hour ago after this big meeting inside the senate republican lunch and he said he does think he can get to yes and you heard ted cruz right on our air saying the same thing. that seems to be genuine. and the influence is certainly has to come from somebody they trust, and i do think that mitch mcconnell, their leader, has built up a reservoir of goodwill, even though the likes of ted cruz and even mike lee and rand paul have not always seen eye to eye with the leadership of their party here in the united states senate. >> all right, dana, i'm going to switch to jim acosta. stand by and keep us posted when those senators start making their way to the bus. jim, you're outside the white house north lawn there. what is the message from the president as he prepares to meet with these senators? >> reporter: well, it sounds like they are trying to rally the troops. i mean, there's really no other way to put it. this is a fairly stinging defeat for the presiden

hard for them to get 50 sflovotes in their caucu don't see a health care plan that mike lee agree to that susan collinstch mcconnell says as much, that it's going to be hard to get to 50. >> but the democrats didn't make a plan with obama either. >> we had lots of hearings. we had a tremendous number of republican amendments in that bill. it was a process that went on for months and months and in committee, in both the health committee, which is the health. >> case, labor committee, the finance committee. this went through a process that landed about nine, ten months. it was a very, very transparent process. >> it's such a rancorous environment in washington right now. >> really? >> you're not in washington. we get along great. >> doesn't look like it from here. what's happened? why this divide -- >> i talk a lot about that, what happened. i do think that mitch mcconnell has a lot to do with that. i think the republicans during the obama administration said their number one goal was to see that obama was a one-term president. that's what mcconnell said and they tried to slow everything down, they filib

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collins say they cannot support the bill as written. they will be the focus of intense lobbying today. vice president mike pence will be on the hill.e'll start with a lobby lunch and meet one-on-one with certain senators and finish it all off with a dinner tonight in order to try and get this bill moving forward and passed by friday. >>> they can only afford to lose two. got to get the numbers down. thanks, eddie. >>> president trump is going after former president obama on russia's interference in the election. a series of tweets yesterday, mr. trump claimed that mr. obama "clued or obstructed by not more forcibly speaking out against russia's attempts to interfere in last year's election." . the president's accusations in the to develop a response to russia. the white house decided not to retaliate against russia until after the election. >>> guilty across the board. admitted yesterday to shooting and killing his estranged wife outside of high point high school last year. the crime spree continued the next day when he shot four people in parking lots at montgomery mall and in aspen hill. two people died. he entered guilty pleas i

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>> you heard some of them that i saw mike lee not too long ago and lisa murkowski and susan colli collinsare republicans who raised questioning about what's happening with the health care bill. i commend them for raising these concerns on behalf of their constituents and millions across the country. no matter what mitch mcconnell says, he's not giving people the opportunity to look at the provisions of this bill and how it's going to hurt everybody. if he thinks he can push this over and just a few days or in one week and not be held responsible for it when people have a chance to look at this bill and when the 2018 elections come, i think that is a height of arrogance on his part and i'm hopeful that we will have appropriate time to debate and discuss this measure and hear from the american people. >> senator, robert mueller is meeting with members of the judiciary committee, the leadership of the judiciary committee. you won't be in that meeting but you are a member of that committee. what are you hoping to achieve with robert mueller? what is he expected to discuss as far as i know? >>

republican senators and in order to get both the ted cruzes and mike lees on board with something and the lisa murkowskis and susan collinso need to be done behind closed doors with only republicans watching. >> yeah, that's not a good argument. it's an argument based upon hypocrisy. you compare it to 2009 the democratic party the house democrats at that time under nancy pelosi's leadership they had over 20 hearings. this took a year before it passed. this is not comparable to what happened in 2009 but i'd love to see mitch mcconnell and everyone else just cloak themselves in such hypocrisy and the travesty and why we need more republicans with courage like my colleague to the right and why we need more republicans to stand up is because the republican party right now is trying to take away health insurance from 23 million people and they are literally drafting up a piece of legislation that affects one-sixth of our economy under the cover of darkness, which is 13 all white males in the back room, and this is the problem that americans have and why they distrust the process and why they distrust democrats and republicans

direction of more market base reforms so if you have a final product that has mike lee, ted cruz and rob portman and collinsgoing to be broad enough to, i think, pass the house but i would say with the coverage numbers, neil, the cbo, what the numbers they're using, even if you don't like the bill that is are being scored, they are not accurate numbers. cbo predicts even though the exchange are cratering, even though the enrollment is declining to less than 10 million this year, cbo predicts next year under obamacare to have 18 million americans enrolled in the exchange. we all know that's not going the happen. neil: i fully agree with that. just when you say medicaid cuts, cuts in the growth of medicate. they call that a cut and infuriates you and infuriates me and one of the things i was looking at there would be more covered just not as many as the cbo thinks would be the case if the -- >> but the cbo is wrong about what they're saying with obamacare. neil: absolutely. but you know how the game is played. that's the only score-maker in town. that's the score you have to go with. but i do still believe, a

collapse of a pharma company whose biggest investor is chris collins shares of inate pharma which figured into tom price's confirmation hearings, mikeillion. >> and there was scrutiny on collins' purchase, inside purchasing they're buying it. this is a good defense >> do they have moral attitude >> yes, basically just kind of a disclosure thing. >> strange >> i believe mostly at this point. so, yeah, it's actually kind of a fascinating one, where in this case, and he was really a backer of it. got other investors. it wasn't like i heard something and flipping the stock >> i was shocked to see what a collapse that was. next, boy, am i rooting for this one as well. >> it's like a $50 cab ride. it's kind of an annoying stretch, of course also very densely populated part of the world. >> i would use a much stronger word than annoying to describe -- it took me two and a half hours on the subway back from jfk the other day and that has the option unlike la guardia. >> o'hair does too, there's like a light rail this is the hard stuff. >> we love it in concept, it is it remotely near being fundable, buildable? glon who's got the money for i

if a republican like susan collins opposes it, would they move it knowing you would lose mike lee, rand paul, ted cruz, you don't have the votes in the end. can the democrats, even though they were involved until now, be able to push it one way or the other to make it acceptable to 50? >> i think it depends which democrat you're talking about, are they up for re-election, is it something they've already staked their reputation on. an interesting one is the opioid legislation that doesn't exist yet. odds are somebody's going to try to insert that into the bill. and will senators, democratic senators from places like west virginia, from places that are hit hard by this crisis really be able to say, well, i didn't do it because there is procedurally a more bigger gain down the line that i couldn't vote for it -- that's difficult to translate to people at home when it's not -- when it's an issue you said you care about that they care about. you will see splintering on amendments when it hits issues like that. >> the key test is for republicans. this has been since long before donald trump c

. >> vice president mike pence has been here today meeting with a range of lawmakers including mcconnell, susan collins, ted cruz of texas and dean heller of nevada. that is a mix of the moderates and conservatives. they need to get to yes. >> what else are lawmakers telling you about the possibility of not reaching a deal? >> shepard: one from louisiana told us if there's no deal, then he's got other work to do back home. >> i'm having two town halls tomorrow. let me ask you. is it more important to cool my heels in my office waiting for these conversations too take place or speak with constituents? it begs the answer. to speak with constituents. i think it's better to go home and speak with constituents. the leader knows how to fibbed me. >> on the democrat side, they're waiting to see if republicans can figure this out and blasting the gop proposal. >> some of my colleagues on the other side are claiming they want lower premiums. if those lower premiums come with higher deductibles and higher copays, nobody benefits. it's a bait and switch. what the republican bill gives with one hand on this area i

susan collins of maine saying just show us the tapes, stop giving us mixed messages. mike of utah about comey's testimony, asked if he believed him, saying he doesn't strike me as someone who would lie under oath. if you're sitting in the white house this morning, are you worried about this growing divide? >> i would be, if i were donald trump, that you're going to start losing too many republicans. i mean, the tape issue here is just incredible. i mean, here, i spent a lot of my career, poppy, i was director of the eisenhower center. i wrote a lot of books on world war ii. donald trump constantly talks about douglas macarthur and general patton. can you imagine them playing mamby-pamby games with tapes, like maybe i have them, maybe i don't, and the clownish routine, hijacking all of our national discussion over whether he has these tapes or not? put up or shut up, it's that simple for donald trump, and i think that's what you're starting to hear a lot of republicans say, and that chorus is going to grow, because it's really unconscionable we're being jerked around on whe

you have conservatives like mike lee, ted cruz, ron johnson, rand paul and others holding out support and the moderates, susan collins, ron portman and it's seemingly impossible for mcconnell to please both sides. this isn't really a policy debate anymore. all that said, call it a zombie bill because it's not dead yet. if it's going to pass, it will be because of politics and promises this party made to its base for years. when you listen to the senators who say they're definitely a yes vote, not even they are singing the bill's praises. republican leaders went back to their default position of blame being obamacare. >> obamacare is collapsing all over this country and president trump and republicans in congress are absolutely determined to repeal and replace obamacare. >> the schedule may have changed a little bit but one thing that hasn't happened is obamacare is collapsing. >> obamacare is going off a cliff. we're trying to rescue the american people from this bus they're on. >> is there anyone who can be called an enthusiastic supporter of this bill on its merits? even "the wall street journal" editorial page tod

"washington post" piece might be enough to please susan collins and lisa murkowski, moderates on the bubble. what will they do to rand paul, mike lee, pet cruz, tom cotton? these are people who expressed deep reservation about the house version of this. if this is the house version taken to the left or more moderate or trump might say left meme, you will lose the people. they won't vote for that. they have been outspoken critics of what the house has done to come back and vote in favor of it would be a huge bridge at this point. >> bret: all right. so do they get it or not? >> basically, they can get it if theyake it. the easiest way to do this is go back to paul ryan plan "a," fake repeal, fake replace. we'll do it later. repeal it now. take the tax revenue back out at the beginning. then we'll replace it later on. when we eventually do repeal it. at that point, rand paul starts ringing the claxon horn and everybody runs for cover. >> bret: that's what people hate about washington. we are also one election away from solving big things. >> one election away from solving the big things and if we try to solve big things it's alon

"washington post" piece might be enough to please susan collins and lisa murkowski, moderates on the bubble. what will they do to rand paul, mikem cotton? these are people who expressed deep reservation about the house version of this. if this is the house version taken to the left or more moderate or trump might say left meme, you will lose the people. they won't vote for that. they have been outspoken critics of what the house has done to come back and vote in favor of it would be a huge bridge at this point. >> bret: all right. so do they get it or not? >> basically, they can get it if they fake it. the easiest way to do this is go back to paul ryan plan "a," fake repeal, fake replace. we'll do it later. repeal it now. take the tax revenue back out at the beginning. then we'll replace it later on. when we eventually do repeal it. at that point, rand paul starts ringing the claxon horn and everybody runs for cover. >> bret: that's what people hate about washington. we are also one election away from solving big things. >> one election away from solving the big things and if we try to solve big things it's along clear partisan

collins said she will not support his idea. there are others. ted cruz, rob portman, rand paul, mike lee, and of course, john k-6. while we know that they have been vocal about not supporting the ideas, your reasons for why they're doing that are slightly different. they were imperfect, but they were building blocks towards revising obamacare. there were going to give more authority to the governors, they were going to put a cap on medicaid spending, this was something they were going to allow it to be done over the subsequent years. there seems to be a permanent blocking minority in both the house, that was a freedom caucus, and in the senate, both conservative and moderate republican senators were unable to get past go in the result of the moment is no legislation. the way politics works, if you fail, then you're going to get tagged with that failure. republicans are running the risk now of taking ownership. they said obamacare is collapsing, they are taking control of the collapse. >> heather: a lot of our viewers and readers agree with you. ron emerson says, the day of careers of politicians is numbered for a

funding for opioid addiction coverage, senators like susan collins and lisa murkowski on board, the moderates and still hold on to paul, mike lee, senator ted cruz, the conservatives who want that? it's very hard to square that circle at this moment. he's a patient, political figure trying to work more behind the scenes with the senators than publicly. >> i want to bring in carol and vivian here, but it feels like the framework of the day are these three big priorities for the president. health care, travel ban. we'll talk later in the show about what's happening on the immigration front when it comes to sanctuary cities and case law, something he talked about all the time on the campaign trail. frame up, what are the wins and losses today for this administration? >> the administration is more enthusiastic about their progress on immigration, on the travel ban. health care is an ideological republican issue that they know they have to pursue because they made it part of their campaign pledge. but at the same time, the president's comments about the bill being mean in the house, his comments to the senators on tuesday that i

mike lees of the world. also going to be the dean helders and susan collins?e moderate members in hopes of working out a compromise of getting to the 50 votes that are needed to pass this bill. >> one on one end and one on the other. how do you bring them together? >> that is something the legislatures will do. we saw this go through the house. where the various folks came together at the end and came up with a compromised proposal to get the votes needed to pass the house of representatives. >> let me talk about the policies here because this bill raised premiums for older, poorer americans. so, what is the vice president's message to that older american who will pay four times as much for their premiums under this plan? >> the first thing we have to realize is that premiums have doubled for americans because of obamacare. you have seen -- >> just let them get higher? >> if you look at the cbo score, average premiums will drop by 30% for americans across the board. that's on average. what we need to do is restore choice, restore competition in the marketplace

susan collins saying release the tapes, we want to know more, questioning the president and senator mike leigh of utah about comey's testimony saying "he doesn't strike me as someone who would lie under oath." is this a problem for the white house? these are all republican senators. >> of course it's a problem. republicans are trying to say subtly is cut it out. the republicans on the hill have nothing to gain by taking trump down, because the voters are not going to reward them for moving against the president. on the other hand, they need to walk this line of not completely endorsing all of this behavior, because they don't know where the investigation's going to go, because that could be equally detrimental to them, so i think they're trying to support the president where they can, but where they feel they need to send a message privately they are very, very concerned. they're trying to do that. i thought lindsey graham's comment was pressing. what he's trying to tell the president i don't think you did anything wrong. >> said that. >> but the way you are -- he's trying to encourage h

collins, senator rand paul and senator dean heller. they won't allow it to even come up to debate. republicans need two of those senators to change their mind. republican vice president mike pence will be here on capitol hill today. first he'll start with lunch and then one own one with the senators who are very nervous with the bill and finishing his day with dinner with senator ben sass, might cotton, james lee and the goal is to finally get a final passage of it on friday. >> edward lawrence, thank you. check out nbcnews.com for a fascinating piece of what will happen if the senate plan becomes law. >> and a nearly $3 million settlement has been reached between philando castile and the city has be -- the castile family and the city. >> and this video may be disturbing. you see one man is knocked down on the ground and remains motionless. police say the victims' wallets and cell phones were stolen, both men were taken to the hospital, one in critical condition. one suspect is 21-year-old dejuan paul. they're asking anyone with information on the other suspects to call police. >> and wildfires are waging and a deadly heat wave is blanketing millions and rivers are overfl

conservatives like ted cruz and rand paul and mike lee and the moderates, people really, really worried about those cuts in medicaid funding like susan collins and others? >> this is nothing short of a republican rebellion that exposed the big divisions and ranks. rand paul in the meeting with the president that ee lee referenced, he said look, this has to be a total repeal. he wanted moneys for a health saving s account and the people on the other side, the lisa murkowskis, who were looking for more mod pratt rat programs. they live in the most rural states in the amount of medicaid recipients, right around high 40 percent, 51% for the two of them. and remember, a lot of this was negotiated behind closed doors, no women were involved, the democratic messaging clearly had been getting out privately some republicans acknowledged that they had been successful. phones had been ringing off the hooks in the capitol. part of the message, there could be as many as 13 million women who could lose coverage if they get pregnant. obviously planned parenthood. in the end to your question, it really nicole was about these divisions and how do you bridge

can thread the need to a peas people like mike lee from utah, ted cruz from texas and more moderate senators, people like lisa murkowski from alaska, susan collins from may. they're trying to hold together this big coalition. >> doesn't sound like it's going to apiece murkowski and collins if there's no funding for planned parenthood or will take away the funding for a year or so. >> that's something that can be a key issue. this is something the nat tors feel passionately about. another big issue is medicaid. one of the things they're going to do in this bill, as we understand it, is change the rate at which medicaid spending grows. it sounds like a won i can thing but it can be a big deal because it determines how much money the medicaid program gets. both of those senators have been pretty vocal on medicaid along with other senators in other states who expanded the program. they're talking about big changes to the health care system that will be unveiled in this bill today. >> peter, tell us about your reporting, what you've determined about why senator mitch mcconnell is pushing for this bill to be voted on next week when senator rand paul f

bill is going to essentially try to circumvent senator collins and senator paul, if they're able to do that, they don't need those two senators, mikece can break a tie, if they lose senator murkowski, they're not going to be able to pass this bill. if all eyes are potentially on murkowski right now. are the democrats talking to her behind the scenes? are you talking to her behind the scenes to fry to convince her not to go along with this. >> of course we talk to our republican colleagues. we don't know, you know, senator murkowski is not among the 13, senator kolbs is not among the 13. there's a lot of other senators in this mix, republin senators. an heller is running for re-election in a state that went for hillary clinton. there's senator lee who is sticking with rand paul. there's a whole bunch of -- senator portman who is in a state where his governor is saying, don't vote for this. there are republican governors who expanded medicaid are saying, if you're getting rid of that don't vote for it, to their senators. this -- there's more in play than you might think. >> on another topic, you've been talking a lot about mike pence

you've got susan collins concerned, lisa murkowski has concerns, even more. how concerned is the cbo in getting 50 plus mike pence? >> it's important, but you have to have people who said they don't support the bill change their mind based on a cbo score. i'm not sure that's going to happen. if you said this bill doesn't work for me, i'm not sure how a cbo score makes you change your mind, ultimately they're probably going to have to change this bill somehow to get some of those conservatives back on board. the math is very easy. they can afford to lose two senators, no democrats will support them, they can afford to lose two senators, and five said they won't support it. there it is. they need three more. >> quickly, i've got to ask, do you think mitch mcconnell will pull the bill because of an early indication of not enough support? >> you would think so, but they went ahead with the vote on the house side. so it's possible they could do here, too. >> they want to do it by friday. zach wolf, we'll check back in 30 minutes. want to ask you about russian interference in the 2016 election which trump now for

. >> meghan: i saw susan collins last night and she doesn't sound like a woman who's going to get to gas. if you are the things mike lee and rand paul are saying, doesn't sound like a bell get ts either. that's three senators right there. i'm losing hope and optimism every day that this thing will get through. lindsey graham warned colleagues, he said just because we made a promise doesn't mean we have to pass a bad product. i think that sums it up. we don't have to pass a bad product. i've never understood the arbitrary timeline. they said monday there's no chance that we would pass before the fourth of july weekend. i think we're making a mockery of this entire thing and those of us who advocated for president trump to cross the country on the premise of repeal and replace, this is embarrassing. i think were going to blow this. >> abby: it they senate they have the power they would repealing a place obamacare. there's no wiggle room. you either need to get those votes from moderate republicans or the more conservative ones, but i don't know if you get everyone on either side. it's a really tricky situation. i don

come down to moderates like susan collins, lisa murkowski, who are concerned that the bill doesn't cover enough people and conservatives like, for example, senator mikeee, who are worried that it's too similar to obamacare and as too many obamacare regulations and protections for things like preexisting conditions. whether you can thread the needle and satisfy them all, that's a pretty open question. >> benjy, let's talk about some of those moderates that you mentioned, all from states that are deeply suffering from the opioid crisis. we're going to talk about that this hour. this bill came up billions of dollars short in the funding for treatment that they had wanted. do we know where they are on this bill right now? >> it's possible that coming up short oncoming up short for funding for opioid treatment and there's only about $2 billion in one year in the senate bill, it's possible that lack of funding could be a prelude to a deal with they add more later. but this gets to more fundamental issues. it still cuts medicaid by very large amounted. in some ways, the cuts would be more dramatic than even the house bill, which cut medicaid spending by ove

opposed to this, the group like mike lee from utah and rand paul from kentucky, ron johnson from wisconsin, who feel that this doesn't go far enough. senator susanhave collins from maine as well as senator michalski from alaska who are deeply concerned that this, once again, as with the house bill, that apparently, president trump p has called me, will mean tens of millions of more americans will lose their health insurance. >> well, it certainly will. i think it is very important for onple to express their views this bill to the senators because there will be a vote next week. is quite a bit meaner and some ways than the house bill, the cuts to medicaid, for instance, are much deeper. and many people, like those in nursing homes and poor infants are going to be affected worse. there will be worst problems under this bill. but i do want to talk a little bit about how the taxes, these big tax windfalls will come to the rich. what the republican bill does is it says rich people who get their income from investments no pay the medicaid tax. people who earns always have to pay 3% 4% medicaid tax. the republican senate and house bill will say that rich people ea