that is what mike connell was such an important witness. spoke to his sister who said their only two possibilities, really, that's connell was murdered, and i don't see any evidence of that, or that he was in an accident in which case rove is the luckiest man alive. could this happen again? i think electronic voting is very, very dangerous and very easy to manipulate. but i also found evidence in ohio of extraordinary kinds of fraud that could happen with a punch card ballots as well through very elaborate means of -- known as cross voting. i think a lot of people don't realize when you go into a voting booth and you see another voting booth nearby, if you vote in the same way in the adjoining booth, in the wrong group, or if your punch card is countered by the different computer, it would registered to a different vote. we saw this happened -- >> [inaudible] >> in ohio, it is what is known as rotation of ballots. they decide whoever the top of the ballot has roughly a 2% advantage over the candidate below him. so to compensate for that, th