mike debonis, back to walmart.ould imagine that you think walmart will live up to its threat in terms of the three stores. >> no evidence that this is a bluff. and you know, nothing -- nothing in their history indicates that, you know, that this isn't real. you know, basically, the way they look at it is, you know, okay, so we spent a few million dollars here. ground work for this. but now if we have to deal with this in d.c., we have to deal with it in philadelphia and new york and x and y and z, it is going to cost us billions over the years. >> bill: you're reporting did you find like -- so this would require them to -- what are they paying today? >> so they will not tell you what their minimum wage is. walmart will cite to you an average wage. they'll say our average -- >> bill: includes their management and everything? >> you know, i don't think it goes all the way up to the chain. but it is in a store. >> bill: their average? >> average wage they say is in the range of $12 to $13. there's some people making m