washington post" reporter mike debonis is covering the issue and joins me now from washington. >>> what's at stake here >> as you mentioned, they're in the pipeline for years and some cases a decade or more. and what's at stake is a certainty tea about a path forward and the longer there is uncertainty, the harder it is to plan these projects, and would receive in a lot of cases is that the trump administration is created month r uncertainty particularly seam less in the realm of public transit but there's also export projects, things like that, where they made moves particularly in the budget that have a lot of people scratching their heads. >> give me an example of the city and the municipality thinking about building something >> transit projects, there's a federal transit administration program that typically spends four, five billion dollars a year building transit projects across the courthouse. these aren't just big cities. a lot of these are in red states, arizona, indiana. north carolina. they've been in the process over a course of months and years expecting to get a federal con