mike dempsey is in charge of all juvenile services for interest indiana department of correction. >>s a complicated issue. and just because of the fact that they are still juveniles. so they're still young in mind and body and spirit and everything. and yet they have committed some pretty serious crimes against society. the natural reaction, particularly for a kid who is going into an environment like that, they learn survival skills. and it's not a positive learning environment either. >> you just got to basically rely on somebody in here that you can halfway trust, because you don't trust anybody in here, nobody. other than that, you're on your own. >> we're standing by whenever you're clear. >> for 15-year-old kids coming in that have 30 years to do, i would tell them what the guys told me when i came in. users and abusers are all over this place. >> 32-year-old inmate greg knows what it's like to be a young kid serving hard time. at the age of 15, he was convicted for the murder of both of his parents. he became the youngest person in indiana history to be sentenced an adult. at

. >> mike dempsey has other reasons for wanting to keep paul in the juvenile system. >> the fact is you can't put a 12-year-old child in that type of environment and expect him to have half a chance. you can't do it. i think that there are probably some adult defenders who sincerely want to try to do the right thing and help. but there are a lot of predators out there as well that will eat the weakness up. they can get into serious trouble very quickly, life endangering trouble. >> this is different than i thought it would be. i wasn't expecting the razor wire. it sucks. you don't want to come here. >> there are a lot of hurt feelings that happened with these cases. understand when people are out there and they are angry and they are hurt. somebody needs to pay for that. but not just one person. you don't want to throw the kid away. don'ts don't just wake up one day saying i am going to kill somebody. >> a lot of people may think that, you know, this is a good place for them. lock them up and throw away the key but it is not that simple. >> miles full sson learned the hard way. >> i lea