ohio governor republican governor mike dewine. rnor dewine, thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >> president trump, first lady first lady, top aide hope hicks now have coronavirus. they may have been contagious in ohio. the white house is telling me that they think that the time that all of these people got it was at the event two saturdays ago at the white house, the supreme court event. has the white house called you, if so when, to let you know that they potentially were carriers of the virus and did not abide by safety protocols when they came into the great state of ohio? >> well, no. i think the basic facts are pretty well known what happened. >> they didn't call you? >> i wasn't there for the debate. i was there when the president came into dayton and when the president came into toledo. fran and i met the plane in dayton. we went up in the plane for probably search, eight, nine minutes, ten minutes with the president. i was not at the debate. >> i know that. but they flew into your state of ohio and they likely were contai

donald trump and mike dewine don't exactly line up on how they politics of people. i think you're seeing some of the bleed sometime around -- this time around where a lot of suburban voters will go over to biden, feeling like they are fed up with the president's term in office. host: we want to invite our viewers to join this conversation with seth richardson. the focus is ohio. if you are supporting the president, dial in at (202) 748-8001. if you are supporting the former vice president, dial into (202) 748-8000. if you are undecided or you have someone else in mind, (202) 748-8002. ohio voters, we want to hear from you, your line is (202) 748-8003. seth richardson, we have seen 60 million people across america vote early. our ohio residents allowed to vote early? guest: ohio has been voting early for a little more than a couple weeks. the first weekend of early voting, the first weekend early voting was last weekend. you sell really long lines basically outside of just about all of the urban counties, hamilton, cuyahoga, franklin, even montgomery, down in dayton.

republican governor mike dewine is joining me.nk you for joining us. >> thank you, jake. >> first lady and president and top white house picks have kaylee hartu coronavirus. a senior administration telling me they think the president got it was two saturdays ago at the supreme court event. has the white house called and, if so, when, to let you know they were potentially carriers of the virus and did not abide by safety protocols when they came into the great state of ohio? >> i think the basic facts are pretty well known what happened. >> they didn't call you? >> i wasn't there for the debate. i was there, you know, when the president came in to dayton and when the president came in toledo. fran and i met the plan in dayton and we went up in the plane probably seven, eight, nine, ten minutes with the president so i was not at the debate at all. >> i know that but they flew in to your state of ohio and they likely were contagious, they likely had the virus. i'm glad that you're okay and i know that you weren't at the debate himsel

mike dewine and gretchen whitner join me next to discuss.schedule and weeks left to campaign and how about the

ohio republican governor mike dewine says he's still in the dark following that debate in cleveland. >> they've not reached out to me. i know i talked to the ceo of the cleveland clinic the other day who dpav me an update, gave me a report. i don't know whether they've reached out to cleveland clinic or not. >> reporter: days after that minnesota rally where there was no social distancing and few masks, a spokesman for the minnesota department of health tells nbc news in a statement there has not yet been any contact with the white house or rnc at this time. the new jersey health department said today it received information to contact trace at least 206 people who attended the president's high-dollar fund-raiser thursday in bedminster. earlier sources told nbc news of growing frustration and anger among new jersey offiyet hadn't received the contact information they needed. fund-raiser even after learning that close aide hope hicks had tested positive for covid-19 and white house physician dr. sean conley told reporters the president began showing clinical indications of covid on th

ohio republican governor mike dewine says he's still in the dark following that debate in cleveland. >> well, they have not reached out to me. i know i talked to the ceo of the cleveland clinic the other day who gave me an update, gave me areport, so i don't know whether they've reached out to cleveland clinic or not. >> reporter: and days after that minnesota rally where there was no social distancing and few masks, a spokesman for the minnesota department of health tells nbc news in a statement "there has not yet been any contact with the white house or rnc at this time." the new jersey health department said it received information to contact trace at least 206 people who attended the president's high-dollar fund-raiser thursday in bedminster earlier sources told nbc news of growing frustration and anger among new jersey officials who had demanded yet hadn't received the contact information they needed the president held the fund-raiser even after learning that close aide hope hicks had tested positive for covid-19, and white house physician dr. sean conley told reporters the pres

the republican, mike dewine heard nothing about contract tracing, health department. the spokes in new jersey, three, four days later, the public health department, getting a list to conduct contact tracing, clearly, the whus had all the contact information. social security numbers to the secret service. this is information that white house had, so far, it has not giving to the people who need it to know the progress sxfrm path of this disease. >> why not the cdc running the contract tracing? why the white house? >> great question, for now there is no good answer. the white house said they are handling it in-house. they have an in-house epidemiologist for last saturday's rose garden event that has eight that test said positive. the cdc is standing by to do all of the heavy lifting for a major contract tracing effort. here again, the white house, so far, has not engaged the cdc on this at all. >> we talked about the white house, and congress as well. you had two positive tests, of senators on the senate judiciary committee. the amy coney barrett is beginning october 12

mike dewine predicting a very rough winter with both hospitalizations and the average age of patientsng up. >> every single number is going the wrong way. >> in the northeast, the moving average went up a staggering 91%. dr. deborah birx of the white house's coronavirus task force warns one reason is silent, asymptomatic viral spread. >> please bring that same discipline that you're bringing to the public spaces into your households and really limit engagement outside of your immediate households. >> parts of queens and brooklyn boroughs, they are protesting places to curb the spread. the vaccine is still in the works. formal plans to distribute are on target to meet an october 16th deadline. >> reporter: here in new york city some of the hot spot zip codes are seeing a test positivity rate of 5.4% compared to the statewide number of .9%. that's excluding the hot spot regions which is why they're sending out 400,000 rapid response covid tests to pharmacies, hospitals and other facilities as well. they know testing is key. >> paulo sandoval, great to see you. >>> europe is reporting mo

and in ohio, the presidential debates, an alarming rise governor to governor mike dewine.ore than 1,000 new cases per day for the past four days. the republican governor describing the president's diagnosis as a reminder the virus does not discriminate. >> the president of the united states can get this, the first lady can get this, we can get it too. and we just got to be very, very careful. >> reporter: and in new york city, 12 hot spot neighborhoods in queens and brooklyn are a cause for concern for officials who say the infection rates in those areas are more than four percentage points higher than the rest of the city. >> we have a lot to do because we're seeing a serious uptick in multiple neighborhoods simultaneously. and it's something we have to address with a very aggressive public health effort right away. >> reporter: across the river in new jersey, contact tracing is under way. in connection to president trump's thursday bedminster fund-raiser, according to governor phil murphy, that's the last event the commander in chief attended before receiving his diagnos

the ohio governor, mike dewine, never close churches.now why there is this could governor's churches. mike dewine never close down our churches. i voted and it was as easy as pie. i'm thankful that it was. i really don't have that much to say about amy coney barrett. i'm on the undecided. i am learning a lot. host: did you vote in ohio in person or by mail? caller: i voted in person. voting startearly in ohio? i'm getting confused now. i'm a senior citizen. 6.her october 5 or october i'm glad i did. i'm glad i voted early. i'm really proud of ohio and what all is happening. i just wanted to make it clear that ohio governor dewine never close down churches. i'm glad you got through this morning. the issue of mail-in ballot inc. came up several times in the discussion over the last couple of days with judge barrett. here is senator amy klobuchar. sen. klobuchar: we are in the middle of a pandemic that is forcing voters to choose between health and their vote. better knownots, as mail-in ballots are an essential way to vote for millions of

donald trump and mike dewine don't exactly line up on how they politics of people.hink you're seeing some of the bleed sometime around -- this time around where a lot of suburban voters will go over to biden, feeling like they are fed up with the president's term in office. host: we want to invite our viewers to join this conversation with seth richardson. the focus is ohio. if you are supporting the president, dial in at (202) 748-8001. if you are supporting the former vice president, dial into (202) 748-8000. if you are undecided or you have someone else in mind, (202) 748-8002. ohio voters, we want to hear from you, your line is (202) 748-8003. seth richardson, we have seen 60 million people across america vote early. our ohio residents allowed to vote early? guest: ohio has been voting early for a little more than a couple weeks. the first weekend of early voting, the first weekend early voting was last weekend. you sell really long lines basically outside of just about all of the urban counties, hamilton, cuyahoga, franklin, even montgomery, down in dayton. liv

in ohio governor mike dewine with a full winter in hospitalizations and the average age of patients moving >> every single number is in the northeast is going up. >> reporter: september 8th to october 8th went up 91%. dr. deborah birx warns one possible reason is silent, asymptomatic viral spread. >> the communities seeing upticks, please, bring that same discipline you're bringing to the public spaces into your household and really limit engagement with others outside of your immediate household. >> parts of queens and brooklyn boroughs are having compliance or increases. this weekend members of the orthodox jewish districts are protesting. though the virus vaccine is still in the works, they have plans on target to meet an october 16th deadline in some states and in d.c. >> take you back to new york city hot spot zip codes. 5.4% compared to 9% statewide. excluding the regions, victor and christi. they're sending out 400,000 covid rapid result tests. testing is one of the keys to try to keep that number down. >> paulo sandoval in new york. thanks so much. >>> this alleged domestic terror

in ohio, governor mike dewine predicting a very bad winter. >> every single month it's gone the wrong. >> reporter: from september 8 to october 8 is went up a staggering 91%. dr. deborah birx of the coronavirus task force warns of asymptomatic viral spread on families. >> for the communities that are seeing uptick, please, bring that same discipline that you're bringing to the public spaces into your household and really limit engagement with others outside of your immediate household. >> reporter: in parts of new york city's queens and brooklyn burroroughs call for a decline. no virus vaccine is still in the works. one cdc official says formal plans to distribute it once it's available are on target to meet an october 16th deadline in some states and in d.c. you know, we mentioned those new york city so-called hot spot zip codes those are seeing an average positivity rate of 5.4% compared to 0.9% statewide here in new york. those are not including those hot spot regions, viktor and christi, that's one of the reasons you're seeing a scramble now to get some of the rapid tests in the h

republican governor mike dewine says he's heard nothing from the white house about contact tracing, givenhat the president was in cleveland at that debate. just today new jersey health officials finally got the information they've been demanding for at least a couple of days so they could contact trace the 200 people who were in that room in that space with president trump for that high-dollar fund-raiser. he went there knowing that hope hicks had tested positive. we learned from dr. conley that the president was exhibiting symptoms of covid at least as early as thursday afternoon. so it's not just the white house physician who chose not to level with the american people yesterday. we found out today it was because he wanted to sort of match the messaging from the president's political team, as if that's what the american people come to expect or deserve from a white house physician. it's also that the state health officials who desperately need contact information to make sure that the people who were exposed to the president and other white house officials who were in those states, so t

in ohio, the site of tuesday's presidential debate, an alarming rise in daily cases according to mike dewine with more than 1,000 new cases per day for the last four days. the republican governor describing the president's diagnosis as a reminder the virus does note diskrichcrimina. >> the president can get it and we can get it too. just have to be very careful. >> reporter: and in new york city, 12 hot spots are a of concern for officials. infection rates in those areas more than four you percentage points higher than the rest of the city. >> we have a lot to do because we're seeing a serious uptick in multiple neighborhoods assign you will taken yusly and something that we have to address right away. >> reporter: across the river in new jersey, contact tracing is under way in connection to president trump's thursday bedminster fundraiser according to governor phil murphy. that is the last event the commander in chief attended before receiving miss dyihis da. the numbering of covid cases a day now averaging about 42,000 and that is not any lower than last month. so that is concerning for of

mike dewine talking about the trouble he finds himself in right now. >> this is by far the highest numbere ever seen during the entire pandemic. in fact, it is about 700 cases more than our previous high which was just a few days ago. virus is raging throughout the state of ohio. there's no place to hide. >> no place to hide, dr. gupta. i want to follow it up by bringing up hospitalizations. no place to hide. the governor is trying to layout a stark case. we see hospitalizations. 46,000 plus yesterday. it was 60,000 at the first peak, 60,000 in the summer surge. we're heading back up. this impacts not just covid patients, but are we getting back in some states to the point if you need elective surgery or other health issues that require treatment, that you're discouraged, go away, we can't handle you now. >> absolutely, john. i experienced that firsthand as well here in georgia. we had a period of time where the hospitals were all essentially covid hospitals and every night there would be a committee meeting basically trying to decide for the next day what operations needed to be done and

people reached out like charlie baker of massachusetts or mike dewine of ohio who called to check in on me. this kind of behavior cannot stand and people of good will need to call it out and call it domestic terrorism when it does happen. >> i was struck by the news, kind of knocked back a little bit by the news last week when secretary of state in michigan, secretary benson, banned anybody from openly carrying a gun within 100 feet of a polling place or clerk's office or absentee ballot counting site on election day. i know that at least one local sheriff has already said he will not enforce that, that he thinks it's fine for people to bring guns to the polling places on election day. i just wanted to ask your perception about the necessity for that and if you think that there may be issues in terms of enforcing it, on election day. particularly if people try to use it as a way to intimidate their fellow voters. >> well, i feel very lucky that jocelyn benson is our secretary of state. and dina is our attorney general. we're working closely together to ensure that every vote gets cou

we know that my good friend, mike dewine, republican gor govr of ohio have been receiving threats.e know that people on both sides of the aisle that are trying to do their jobs, like dr. fauci, have received threats. this kind of rhetoric is anti-american, seeks to undermine the principles the country was founded on, in combination with ri ridiculing r profession, undermining the military, misusing them, these will create division and political and regime cleavage, it will be hard for the nation 20 come back together. -- to come back together. if anyone can do it, i know it's joe biden. chris: thank you. always good to talk with you. >> thank you, chris. stay safe. chris: up next, we bring in our sunday group to take a look at what to look for from issues to ad buys to early voting in this final week of campaign 2020. (music) one day you're serving in the military... ...you come home, and you're dealing with an injury. my opioid misuse and need got so strong. addiction is hard. you have to reach out for help. the recovery side of it is amazing. you get to a place where you're proud

in ohio, governor mike dewine, predicting a very rough winter with hospitalizations and the average age of patients edging up. >> every single number is going the wrong way. >> reporter: in the northeast, the moving average of new cases from september 8th to october 8th went up a staggering 91%. dr. deborah birx warns one reason is silent asymptomatic viral spread young families. >> of the units that are seeing uptakes, please bring that same discipline that you're bringing to the public spaces into your household and really limit engagement with others outside of your immediate household. >> reporter: in parts of faurk's city queens and brooklyn, calls for compliance are growing amid an increase in covid clusters. this week members of orthodox jewish neighborhoods protested. though a virus vaccine is still in the works, one cdc official says formal plans to distribute it once its available are on target to meet an october 16th deadline in some states and in dc. we certainly would have to have a vaccine first. when it comes to new york and especially about those covid clusters that are

the governor of iowa, mike dewine, says there's no place to hide. how bad is it?h worse will it get? >> it's very bad and it's going to get worse until we do things differently. what distinguishes our current outbreak from what happened initially in the spring with our so-called first wave is that the virus is all over the country now. it's not limited to new york or boston or the northeast. it's all over the country now. and if you look at the midwest, in fact, in many of the states, the president and vice president have traveled to recently, the positivity rates are enormous. so, for instance, wisconsin, the positivity rate is 28%. in iowa, it's 29%. if you go out towards some of the western states, wyoming, it's 55%. 55%. that means that more than out of two people who get tested are positive. which means that basically only testing people who are symptomatic. and we've gotten to this ferocious level of almost 90,000 cases of very, very quickly now. and it's accelerating. we also just passed a total of 9 million people infected. it took us only 14 days to accum

in ohio, governor mike dewine predicting a very rough winter with hospitalizations and the average agef patients edging up. >> every single number is going the wrong way. >> reporter: in the northeast, the moving average of new cases from september 8th to october 8th went up a staggering 91%. dr. deborah birx at the white house's coronavirus task force warns one possible reason is silent asymptomatic viral spread among families. >> the communities that are seeing upticks, please bring that same discipline that you're bringing into the public spaces into your household and really limit engagement with others outside of your immediate household. >> reporter: parts of new york's city's queens and brooklyn boroughs calls for compliance are growing amid an increase in covid clusters. this weeks members of orthodox jewish neighborhoods protested. though a vaccine is still in the works, one cdc official says formal plans to distribute it once it's available are on target to meet an october 16th deadline in some states and in dc. and just this morning, in new jersey, the former governor chris

this is a state mike dewine, current governor, yes, president trump carried it big but they're not trumpyr the middle. >> it's time to rebuild the backbone of this country, the middle class. this time bring everybody along, no matter your race, your age, your gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation, disability. everybody gets to come along. it's time to unite america and we'll do that by choosing hope over fear. science over fiction. truth over lies, and unity over division. >> what is the late sense there, jackie? does that kind of a message work in a state that the president carried quite handily four years ago? >> you know, i think the message joe biden gave in ohio this week is exactly the message he needs to give in ohio for all of the reasons you mentioned at the top of this segment. although ohio went sharply for president trump four years ago, it also voted for obama twice, and the areas where trump made inroads were on the jobs message. when you went to places in ohio where he swung the vote away from obama, jobs, the economy, returning good paying jobs to those areas were high on

ohio showing a spike in new cases, and today ohio's governor mike dewine warned that we could have ae people moving back indoors. dr. anthony fauci said the same thing when i spoke with him last night. >> we have a baseline of infections now that vary between 40,000 and 50,000 a day. that's a bad place to be when you're going into the cooler weather of the fall and colder weather of the winter. >> dr. fauci said americans need to follow the basic health protocols, wear masks, keep distancing and wash your hands so that we can, as he puts it, turn this around >>> two bumps along the road toward a covid vac- -- or treatment today. johnson & johnson is the first it paused a vaccine trial. officials say one of its volunteers has an unexplained illness. and then this afternoon eli lilly paused a trial for its antibody treatment that company cites safety concerns let's turn to meg tirrell now. what do these developments mean and should people be concerned about them, meg? >> hi, shep. we've gotten very limited information on these events right now, but experts tell us based on what we do k

governor mike dewine of ohio with us right now.governor, good to have you. >> good to be back, thank you. >> good morning to you. hope you're doing well. on this 50,000 ballot thing, what happened? do you know? >> now, this is franklin county. i think they said they had a vendor who made a mistake and to make sure the way at least i understand it, you had some people in a part of franklin county that got the wrong local names and in state legislative races. that would not have-- they obviously, of course, had the president on there and they had joe biden on there. it wouldn't have impacted the, you know, the presidential, but somebody caught it right away. a former state legislator actually caught it and they're correcting it. look, mistakes can happen. we doesn't like it, no one likes to see it, but we've got a red-hot race in ohio. i think the president's going to win in ohio, but ohio is, as you know, a swing state. and it's going to go right down to the wire. it's-- you know, we have very expansive voting in ohio. people can go

. >>> sunday on "face the nation" margaret will interview mike dewine, keisha lance bottoms and scottottlieb. hear interviews with both presidential candidates and their running mates on "60 minutes." tony? >> let's get an update on the coronavirus. unfortunately, the newest coronavirus numbers show the virus is not fading away as the president claims. the u.s. recorded more than 71,000 new cases yesterday alone. that is the fourth highest daily numbers so far in the pandemic. also yesterday, the food and drug administration approved the first drug to treat covid-19, remdesivir. had been used on an emergency basis only, including president trump. he received it during his covid treatment at walter reed. the drug is meant for hospital patients only. and it's costly. it costs more than $3,000 for one five-day course. or people with private insurance. >>> in colorado, at least five people are unaccounted for in the worst wildfires in the state's history. the so-called east troublesome fire burned more than 200 square miles in about 24 hours in the mountains of northern colorado. the fire

here's what is happening at this hour ohio's governor mike dewine is telling residents they need to help being overwhelmed as that state reports more than 2,400 new covid cases since yesterday. it is a single day record. nine of the ten days with the most new cases will be this month. >>> just before boarding his flight to nashville for tonight's debate joe biden told reporters that he hopes president trump will, quote, play by the rules, end quote republicans complained those rules, including the muting of microphones are stacked against the president. president trump indeed has just arrived in nashville nbc news reports he will bring up hunter binden and china throughout the debate. during before the flight the president tested negative for covid. you are up to date sara, i'll send it back to you. >> sue, thank you. >>> 787,000 americans filed unemployment benefits last week. that's the lowest level since the pandemic began back in march. and california released its backlog numbers which led to a downward revision in claims from a few weeks ago. joining us now is joe lavorgna he pace a

. >> reporter: as cases rise across the midwest, ohio governor mike dewine announced the results of aibody study on thursday. it revealed millions of ohioans likely remain vulnerable to infection and that herd immunity is a long way away. >> so what we have to do is hang in there. we've got to keep this virus low and we wait for the vaccine to hit. >> reporter: as several vaccine manufacturers continue critical work in phase three trials, some participants have developed side effects, including 53-year-old lisa mejeski. >> what have the side effects been like? >> after the first injection, i just had mild body aches for about half the day and took some pain medication and i felt better. and after the second one, it was about a whole day of a low-grade fever and more severe body aches. and i took some more advil and i felt fine the next day. >> any regrets? >> no, none at all. >> reporter: this is one of the testing sites for the moderna vaccine at a hackensack university medical center. this week we learned the ceo doesn't expect the vaccine to be widely available until next spring. a

that becomes very difficult in mike dewine's ohio or even in ron desantis' florida. i think it becomes a real problem if you're -- you're going to worry more about donald trump's political future if you're one of those state level officials or your own political future? and donald trump, you know, will at that point a loser. so we will see. we will see. >> i so wish that this were a thought exercise or a red team conversation, not literally ripped from the front pages of today's newspapers. jeremy bash, uh-eugene robinson thank you. >>> the white house press secretary clearly refused to denounce white supremacy. >>> if you're confused about coronavirus, president trump has you right where he wants you. the american president is the single biggest spreader of coronavirus lies. we'll show you that. >>> and the reason it might be because joe biden has highlighted the president's failures effectively and all polls point to a likely trump defeat. we'll dig into his fear running against joe biden going back to last may and leading to the impeachment. we'll speak to a biden

but according to our reporting, and according to the governor of ohio today, mike dewine, of course thatate was in ohio, the governor of ohio says that the white house has not contacted him about the president's positive covid diagnosis, the white house hasn't said anything about contact tracing. our team has reached out to the officials in new jersey, remember president went to that private fundraiser in bedminster and there are concerns and frustrations there because the officials in new jersey who would like to do proper contact traces s tracing say that they don't have the proper information to do it. and speaker of the house who is in line to the presidency has said on the record that she is getting information about the president's status through media reports, not from the white house directly. >> i think what is absurd and we should underscore the reason that these governors want the contact tracing, they want to make sure that any staff at any events that the president was in, that they are safe. we're talking security guards, workers that may have been janitors or the wait staf

this time it's in ohio where a group allegedly planned to kidnap governor mike dewine and arrest him tyranny. on friday, dewine said he was not aware of any plot against him but he did comment on the alleged plot to kidnap michigan governor gretchen whitmer. he said we all have a duty to denounce anyone who intends to overthrow the government. jeff pegues reports on this. >> reporter: prosecutors say 19-year-old alexander treisman arrested for possessing child pornography posted evidence of wanting to kill presidential candidate joe biden. on his phone and social media, they found images from mass killings and an internet meme captioned, should i kill joe biden? court documents show treisman had a fascination with mass shootings and had swastika drawings in his van. court papers say in early may he drove to within four miles of joe biden's delaware home after purchasing an ar-15 style rifle. was this a real threat? >> whenever somebody is amassing weapons and wants to, you know, do damage, it's always potentially dangerous. >> reporter: this comes just days after we learned about a m

. >> trace: ohio police are investigating an alleged plot to kidnap mike dewine and stage a mock trialyranny. a miami county man said he was contacted by renee turner. an outspoken critic of dewine's lockdown policies. she was hatching a plan to make a citizen arrest and sentence him for crimes. turner reportedly claims no such plot was ever discussed. >> i, amy coney barrett, do solemnly swear that i will support and defend the constitution of the united states. >> sandra: that was late last night. amy coney barrett at the white house being sworn in as an associate justice of the u.s. supreme court. her senate confirmation earlier in the evening solid filing a 6-3 conservative majority. >> the oath that i have solemnly taken tonight means at its core that i will do my job without any fear or favor, and that i will do so independently of both the political branches and of my own preferences. >> sandra: congressional correspondent chad pergram is live on capitol hill this morning. what's the reaction there now that she has been sworn into the high court? >> good morning, sandra. republi

i have heard this repeatedly from our governor in ohio, mike dewine, also from local officials in ohio. don't make us spend all the mean by -- money by year end. we can spend it more effectively if you give us some flexibility on that. none of us should do that. we always complain about the federal rule where you tell the agency you have to spend the money by year end. lose it or -- use it or lose it. let's let them have the flexibility to spend the money as they need it. we all know now this virus isn't going away in calendar number 2020. it's going to be around in 2021. let's give them that flexibility. with the extended timeline, we should also provide flexibility so they can be certain that they can spend the money where they need it, including for public safety, police, fire, e.m.s. fourth, we all agree we have got to make sure americans have adequate access to telehealth and telehealth medicine. most of us in this chamber probably utilized telehealth services during the pandemic. and we know they work. it's been a lifeline for millions of americans, particularly those fighting ad