answer, mike duffy. and that was a conversation you had with mr. duffy on june 19th? i believe actually it was an e-mail. oh, what exactly did mr. duffy say to the best of your recollection in that e-mail? he said that the president had questions about this press report and that he was seeking additional information. so that's june 19th, and according to this deposition that we just got tonight, according to this testimony on june 19th there is an e-mail that proves that the order to start questioning the military aid to ukraine is from the president personally. the president has reportedly seen something in the media about the u.s. giving aid to ukraine. that sparks him having questions about that aid. we don't exactly know what he might have seen in the media. i can tell you that there was this defense department press release the previous day on june 18th announcing the u.s. military aid for ukraine. so maybe he saw that press release or saw something in the press about that that bugged him. regardless, that's when the paper trail starts. the president expressing c

. >> mike duffy made it up to fresh pond, a town along highway 50 where it is snowing tonight. hi, mike. >> reporter: yeah. good evening, guys. if you get up to this point and you're heading west on 50. basically, you might realize that you underestimated how much snow is falling up here. it is thick, it's heavy and it doesn't look like it's going anywhere any time soon. you might believe this. but some people from the bay area that i spoke with today said they came up to check out the snow. perhaps they had reservations and they're totally unprepared. a lot of people are pulling along the side of the road here on 50. they are in some pretty dangerous situations just to put the chains around their tires. now you need to know that cal trans says it's not a great idea. they want you to know that you need chains on 50 or 80. they have designated areas you need. just in the last 30 minutes or so, we learned that westbound 50 is closed. right around the area of the apple cafe. also called carson road. if you're headed this direction, you might want to check before you head this way.

a top political appointee, mike duffy, came in, and he took control of the authority to hold that aiding forward after sandy initially placed that aid. he was asking why that happened. the answers weren't particularly clear until september came along, when duffy, the political appointee, sent him an email and said the reason why the aid had been withheld is because the president wanted more european countries to provide security assistance to ukraine. but the question of the timeline raise a lot of questions because during that duration of those several weeks and months, many people were asking questions about why that aid was being withheld, and of course we know the president was pushing for ukraine to announce those investigations that could help him politically all along at that same time. so it ultimately leads to what was the president thinking and who else could shed more light on that? >> who, what, where, when, why. all of it is important. michael, sandy also testified that two omb officials, including one in the legal division, left after expressing concerning over the hold

house budget committee suggests that the white house budget office and the same budget official, mike duffy holding back the ukraine money was illegal. on august 3rd, a week after meeting cooper -- the meeting cooper described, duffy signs a letter withholding those critical funds. three days later on august 6th duffy signs off on another letr for the white house budget office withholding the ukraine funds. then on the 9th democrats on the appropriations committee in both the house and senate warn that withholding funds could be illegal. then duffy signs another letter withholding those funds. august 19th, democrats on the house and senate budget committees in the house and senate again warn the white house that withholding the aid for ukraine is illegal. on the 29th of august duffy signs another letter holding back the aid. in mid-september when the state department moved to release its part of the ukraine funding at the urging of national security advisor john bolton, even then the white house office of management and budget held onto the office for another two weeks plus even though they

a top political appointee mike duffy came in over the course of the next few weeks, a hold before all minutely released and that is central to the investigation as well. why was that aid withheld? used for political reasons? >> thank you so much. manu raju on the hill. >>> to a court ruling, a federal judge reminded president trump that "presidents are not kings," words that came from his pivotal decision, katongy brown. the white house has been blocks this claiming absolute immunity. to make the point as clear as possible, absolute immunity from compel political process simply does not exist. indeed absolute testimony immunity for white house aides appears to be a fiction. while the law is on congress' side, time is not. no telling when don mcgahn might testify. he is, of course, appealing. so is the department of justice and the house agreed to wait a week as appeals are filed. and the president of the united states, he is tweeting. he says that "fighting for future presidents, but that he would actually like people to testify, including mike pompeo, rick perry, mike mulvaney, membe

omb official mike duffy, nsc official wells griffeth. the democrats will likely force the issue.re do you see that going because i this pops up again and again? >> they may be compelled to testify. with impeachment inquiries there is not a lot of rules from the constitution. so the house has a lot of power how these things are carried out. it is important for the american people to get answers from as many sources as possible to make these final decisions. neil: is it in your gut, katie this is headed toward as house vote on impeachment, i don't know when, vote on impeachment by the end of the year? that was one of the hopes by steny hoyer, but what do you think? >> i think at this point that is where it is heading. i don't know strategically that is the best move for democrats. they think they had a lot more than they had with the phone call. that may or may not prove to be true. there is lot of open question about interpretations which exist but having witnesses to that point. neil: katie, thank you very, very much. we want to keep you up to date with markets nominally to the u

questions he raised to a top political official, mike duffy, who later withheld the after he signed off. he says this according to the transcript. to answer a question from house investigators, at any point in time from the moment you walked in any time in history, has mr. duffy ever f provided you a reason why the president wanted to place a hold on security stance. he says i recall in early september, an e-mail that attributed the hold to ore countries concern not contributing more to ukraine. we have learned that later, just several days later, september 11th, 12th, that the aid was ultimately released to ukraine in the aftermath of reports sthoeing this money had been held up. that's why the major concerns within the u.s. government, within ukraine circles about why it has been withheld and made a push by the president and his allies to investigate joe biden. his political rivals, as well as the theory the president has pushed to that ukraine may have interfered in the 2016 elections. something that's been debunked by top officials. but also sandy makes cleers when he raised that ot

would be more credible of an objection if they supported the president releasing, mick mulvaney and mike duffytestify. it would be more credible if they released those documents but, no, the fact of the matter is it's a mountain of evidence, it's overwhelming. and it includes the president's own confession, in the context of the call. mick mulvaney signing the confession. moreover, there's a consciousness of guilt involved in transferring that transcript to the covert server which is usually reserved for things like covert operations and consciousness of guilt by allows these things to come forward. >> then are you making any headway with the documents that you subpoenaed that the president said no way? or calling with thes like mick mulvaney or john bolton? anything changes on your end? >> zero, nada. >> "the wall street journal" reporting sondland interviewed rick perry. saying zelensky, the ukrainian president, was prepared to tell the president that would open investigations into the bidens and the so-called corruption in the 2016 election. are those emails you can subpoena? >> we can, but

tomorrow there are individuals who may not show up including mike duffy with the office of managementnd budget but the big question, though, kate, what will happen on thursday, john bolton, the former national security adviser someone whose name has been mentioned time and again because of his concerns how the aid has been held up, will he show up? democrats still believe they have enough evidence at the moment to go forward but trying to get some more. >> manu, great to see you. thank you so much. go to capitol hill for the white house where his part president trump is trying at least to move attention from the details of the investigation and back on the whistleblower whose confidential complaint sparked this entire inquiry. listen to this. >> the whistleblower should be revealed because the whistleblower gave false stories. stories written about a certain individual, a male, and they say he's a whistleblower. if he's the whistleblower, he has no credibility because he's a susan rice guy, a obama guy and he hates trump. >> yes that is the president of the united states asking for fo

one works with the national security council and mike duffy who works in the national budget council. they believe this will all add up to an obstruction charge against the president, but the release of those two transcripts are bound to come out any minute. gordon sondland, the u.s. ambassador, has high interest because of the role that he played, and what we've seen already in his opening statement which we revealed earlier that he was concerned that the president put on ice efforts to strengthen the relationship with ukraine with a meeting between president trump and the president of ukraine, and the president asked the u.s. officials to talk and deal with rudy giuliani's efforts. he learned later that rudy giuliani was pushing these investigations that could help the president politically. the question for gordon sondland, though, john, going forward and whether or not his testimony is consistent with what others have testified to. others have said gordon sondland's interaction, for instance, with the president were much more significant than he said, at least in his opening state

the process for approving or denying such funds was taken over by a political appointee at aomb, mike duffy, who defied a congressional subpoena to testify earlier this month. so fascinating turn, right? really interesting new development. i mean, it's one thing to commit a crime as president. it's another thing to not just carry it out yourself but to order other people who work in the government to commit that crime for you. when government workers who know better realize that you're telling them to commit a crime on your behalf and they balk at doing that and they say no, well, sure, maybe you can find a political appointee with just the right type of moral compass to step in and take over that job from those career officials. sure, that might work for a while. that might work until the story comes out about what you did and then the government workers who you ordered to commit that crime, who said no to you, who you then replaced on the job with somebody who would commit that crime for you, yeah it'll all work until those people agree to testify about what they know and about what you d

my duty can all men through the media see duffy's i'm not going is not soon defined not see on an internet fight one seemed told me by don't often bob got the mike season and the end zone and you might be done it's not time to shake. it off to focus i think you can see that everyone knows that there's a kind of official and high level cover up on the w.h.o. is involved in it. i'm a filmmaker i have a daughter. it is important to me that she finds the will and good condition that is why i'm traveling to the w.h.o. headquarters in geneva. the american journalist robert parsons lives here for 20 years now he's been writing about the w.h.o. . until a few years ago every monday the opening day of the world health of something that was a sumptuous reception at the w.h.o. given by the director general that was the great centerpiece of the body bed and talk to. me it was it was a very good situation for holding everybody together in an informal setting. you know more than ever it has that sort of thing has spent replaced by private reception at they are organized by industry. and i'm particularly pleased to have the 2 ministers of health they have indus