he went through other investigators and finally, one of them that he hired was mike esemos, who was a west point graduate and had kind of a mysterious background of involvement with the u.s. government. and esemos, along with other investigators, again going around the world looking for information. it was not entirely clear in hindsight who he was getting information for. whether for motley rice or for the u.s. government as part of an intelligence operation. he would say to me and other people that he had been sent to motley rice by paul wolfowitz in the defense department or by other people in the government and others. there was a time when he showed up in baghdad with forces, who then kicked him out out of baghdad. it is a very strange story, but in the end, he ended up working for motley rice. he also arranged to lure a drug lord back to the united states. this was on behalf of the drug administration. and the afghani drug lord was brought to new york and arrested and prosecuted and the confusion over who he was really working for and whether the operation he was doing for motle

who is mike esemos? >> he was a fascinating character. the guy, maybe the most intriguing figure of the whole post-9/11 world. i'm still not entirely sure what to make of him today. >> where does he live? >> i am not sure. >> have you talked about -- have you talk to him? >> not recently since the book came out. firm, hired by a law motley rice. >> who is motley? charleston, who the biggestof sediments and the united states. the lead lawyers in the tobacco industry settlement with all of the states in which the tobacco industry had to pay like $240 billion to a lot of different states. partners, got his a large fees from that, billions of dollars. the movie "the insider" was based partly on his life. , after aco settlement huge victory, wondering what he should do next. 9/11 happened and he began to get calls from some of the families of victims of 9/11. eventually to represent them in a class action lawsuit against saudi arabia. which wouldlawsuit be the biggest lawsuit in history. he was going to sue the saudis and entities and individu