please stay with us. 123450 our ronde table guest, mike flores from flores trading, chip from blue roof agro marketing. mike, i want to go to you first. i talk to produce ires they say nothing is happening in the grain market. as a tech trader there is always something happening. . >> we are trading range in corn. probably about a 30% range and have been there going on two weeks, we have gone through a lot of negative on the stock market and that didn't break it to the downside and that didn't break it. we are just kind of stuck here. there are to many positives to knock to down heavy duty but there are enough head winds to keep a cap on it. for the near term future i think we will be chop around a bit. >> when you look at them you look at what happens in europe makes more of a difference tol technicals or is it supply demand affects them or is it history or --. >> it's all kind of linked together. i don't know what's leading what but the markets are just kind of in a funk, not only the grain markets but various other futures markets, stock market, nothing is making that much headway. i

. >>> our guest today, bob, and mike flores, i told bob i will go right to you and -- when will producers get their pencils together on determining how much they can afford to plant next year? >> already two things, its cash rents very been hearing this before the break were very high, bids coming in by landlords, cash rents and fertilizer prices have to come down now because the cost production for a lot is going to be in the $5.25 production. either the cash rents have to come down or -- they are seeing a lot of corn after corn. i see a lot of guys wanting to go to 1-4, 1-5 rotation. those years where they row indicate they see a positive bounce. >> yeah, 40, 50, bushels sometimes. >> we are heading the direction where guys not going to change their mixes because of the rotation and we are not going to buy acres like we thought we could in april and may. so that spread between corn and bed beans could get blown up but i don't think you can take corn to much below $5.50 and get 94 million acres next year. >> let's go -- does what he is saying make sense? you said off camera you thought w