why is mike flynn here, i asked molly. i'm not sure, molly said. then i did, he's just talking to the president about some things. talking to the president about some things. got it. i went back to my office and settled in. molly came to my office soon after and asked if we had a wine opener. no, i said. mark doesn't drink, so we do not keep alcoholic paraphernalia in his vicinity. i try to joke, but she did not crack even a slight smile. i side. i know the vice president has won, all called his assistant. once we secured the wine opener we -- back to our respected desks. a few minutes later, eric herschmann and derek -- barreled down the hallway past my office, and rounded the corner to the oval office. i was imagining various reasons mike flynn could have for being there that had the lawyers in a panic. but then i remembered, it was derek lines as last day at the white house. i figured, i was over thinking it. flynn probably left, there was maybe a toast for derrick in the oval office to celebrate his tenure at the white house. -- top aides and d

i was going to say, mike flynn, mike flynn, the former overstock kcom ceo patrick byrne, sidney powell. and they were discussing, invoking martial law or the insurrection act. and that was the first moment for me in the days afterward, just kept getting more astounding. but again, you know, we were still dealing with a lot of issues that were just january six, really. we were still working to pass the ndaa, some people were trying to work on the peaceful transfer. so it wasn't like my days weren't only consumed with january six things, but. december 18th i think was the turning point where it was like, okay, things might. things are kind of getting a little. yeah. so your mom who who is a hero of mine in this book anyway called you and said don't go to work on january six of fairly far. so december was december 19th. the tweet was sent out that be there will be wild on january six. and candidly, i have some family members who are would associate themselves with some of the more extreme right, what i call the more extreme right wing groups such as kiernan. it was early january. my mom h

house including one where donald trump may have well signed invoking the insurrection act with mike flynnthe room and ken eng chesebro was involved in the electors extreme. >> it was his scheme. >> well he certainly helped to put it in place. but at the end of the day, donald trump oversaw everything. >> right. >> and that scheme of presenting false electors to try to convince pike pence to take unlawful action and unconstitutional action directly touched donald trump. >> and a new york state judge fined trump $5,000 for violating the gag order and raising the pros peck of possibly imprisoning here. to be clear. this is $5,000 is -- and this is accusing the clerk of having in an affair with chuck schumer. and you know what it is like to be on the end of a smear, other republicans and kinzinger know what it is like to get death threats. do there need to be more serious consequences for donald trump when it comes to this sort of thing? >>know, what we have seen over the course of the last almost three years now, since january 6, has been almost without exception, almost without exception, t

the membership sat around about what he heard, what he knew, and huddling with steve bannon and mike flynn on the patio. outrageous, yes. surprising, no. >> again, these aren't things that are, like, ah, don't worry about it. no president -- >> this is -- >> no president would do this. other than donald trump. again, i remain just absolutely -- i'll try to be emotionally level on this -- fascinated by the fact that -- >> it's hard. >> -- people are still, will you vote for a guy who steals nuclear secrets, takes them to his beach club, steals war plans and takes them to his beach club, and now, in this case, talks the specifics about our nuclear submarines, and talks about how close we can get to russian nuclear -- i mean, this is the sort of information that russian spies would die to get. and that our spies would risk their lives to get from other countries. donald trump is just sitting there at mar-a-lago blabbing it. then this guy goes around and tells maybe 20 more people. >> oh, yeah. it's a whole other problem. >>> also ahead on "morning joe," republican congressman jim jordan picke

but mike flynn is still in trump's inner circle. russians. i mean, this is to me a sort of a pattern and practice reveal. right? there was a pattern and practice of revealing state secrets to people he was trying to hustle for business. i mean, i wonder what your current concerns are about what happened to the most sensitive information the government possesses. >> well, i definitely was anything of you, nicolle, when i was reading this story because you have said repeatedly that with donald trump there's nothing new. it's the same story. it is authoritarianism and embracing authoritarianism. i mean, being proud of it, boastful of it. even if it's not true that he's even tougher on calls than he was with zelenskyy. the fact that he thinks that's an appropriate thing to say because the call itself was horrendous. the idea that if it was true or even not true just reveals those authoritarian tendencies. pete is exactly right, that the dni investigation into the spill at mar-a-lago is exactly what you are worried about about the countr

. >> so tim, she seems to me as crazy as mike flynn, as hands on as the other guy who pleaded guiltyeady for the coffee county break-in and as sort of maniacal as the overstock guy in terms of using all the levers of power. just tell us how important she is to this case and these still unanswered questions about january 6th. >> yeah, nicolle, look, i think she's potentially really important, but unclear whether she provides a linkage between what she's pleaded to and the former president or other senior members of team crazy. i think from my quick review of the plea is that she has pled to a misdemeanor conspiracy to intentionally interfere with the performance of election duties related to that coffee county access to ballots that happened on january 6th. there's really no evidence yet that links the former president or giuliani or others to those series of events. now, look, if she has in her video statement or would testify publicly that that was directed by the former president or he was aware of it or if she has more broad testimony, she has a testimonial obligation about direct