what an influential figure mike francesca is in new york city. sports talk afternoon drive time.e was must listen every day in new york. he became a national figure. though he doesn't quite have the influence once he did, he represents -- he's someone who's been very loyal and supportive of the president and we are seeing throughout the mueller investigation and other trials and tribulations including impeachment, but this is different. for new yorkers, there's a of course the days after 9/11, when first of all at the time, rudy giuliani did step to the forefront and felt appreciative of his leadership in the days afterwards. and there's a sense, though, it's cuomo has the better feel for the conditions of the people on the ground, first responders, firefighters, police officers, etms and of course those in the hospitals while the president seems disconnected and unconcerned. i do think there could be some -- some carry over here. francesca still has a national voice. those union members, emergency workers if they start turning on the president, that's something to monitor going