i have been on a few radio and tv shows or president clinton about the mike gillespie affair.eople have asked me how i think about that. i say that is the case of a leader line basically to save his own skin. that doesn't fit the category of lines. i'm looking at what i call strategic lines which are lines that leaders tell up for what they think is the national interest. >> host: one more example of a libel laws and national level. i think a good example of allied that backfired most would be a matt shock to know that the soviet union was the first country to put a ballistic missile in the air and the first country to put a satellite in aerospace. after launching the first entered continental ballistics metal -- missile, he lied to the american people, led to the american leaders and tried to give us the impression that it was a missile gap. they had this used to advantage in missiles over the next states. in fact among the did not have a huge a vantage missiles. we cannot tell what the boss was regarding this is because we did not have overhead satellites that the time that