this at least 2 convicted felons have run for president in the past uncharted territory. indeed, mike hanna, thank you. that's bringing david bozer now he's a national security consult and us was working in jo biden's, washington office when he was a senator. he joins us from washington dc. now welcome to the program. firstly, what's your take on the fact that this is actually happening? this is incredible, isn't it? thank you for including me in this coverage. yes, it is incredible. it's historic. it's unprecedented. but keep in mind that donald trump has already achieved rows of descriptors. but in the past he was twice impeached. ah, he was a former businessman becoming president. so it's a, this is par for the course as they say on the, on the golf course for donald trump. but as your reporters have mentioned, this is just an indictment. it's not a conviction, there's a tremendously long ah, schedule ahead of us. and any time there's a long process, donald trump knows how to evade, to equivocate, and to essentially change the subject. so look forward to that in the next few days and wee