let's get more on this from mike hanner, who's standing by in washington, dc. and mike, what was discuss, given just how many potentially sensitive flash points exist between badging and washington? well, the hudson being a full mo, read out tough. exactly. all the points that we discussed. but we know what was on the table. this had been the subject of briefings by various whitehouse advises and on the agenda. certainly a lot of items ranging from the conflict in going to to the russian invasion of ukraine, but then also human rights issues, for example, as well as trade issues. so there was a lot to talk about, and indeed the lead has spent a lot of time in those discussions. at one stage, they took a break and went for a walk. the relationship between the 2 countries as described as being at its lowest point in 40 years get the 2 lead is appeared, molden amicable and public. at least president biden's advise is pointing out that he's had more face time with president she than any other lead to 60 i. it's 8 hours of meetings of talks. they say during this time