. >> and yet though, this is more for both of you, mike harington of tech crunch. >> nice piece about that. >> he did. he took a contrarian view. >> he benefits from it. >> he benefits from it because he invests in startups now but he has said that he and other valley figures feel it's unfair. >> what i like about the piece was that whether you agree with this sort of tax break or not, he was able to talk about it and explain it. and say, listen, folks, this is what they are arguing about in washington. i think this is something that a lot of people -- this idea is that something that a lot of people are not familiar with. >> i would agree. a lot of people are unaware it exists. but at the end of the day, these venture capital managers and private equity managers are promoting economic growth and creating jobs and doing things that are in line with the spirit of why preferential tax treatment was created in the first place. >> gary whitfield, we did it. we talked about carried interest -- on a television show and for that i thank you for your patience and your knowledge as well. gary