let's turn to mike hatch who ran against tim pawlenty and lost to him by just a few thousand votes. mike, good to have you on the program tonight. when you hear that tim pawlenty is on the hot list in being reported by the wall street journal and politico that hey, he could be the guy, what goes through your mind? is he ready to be vice president, maybe even president? >> well, i think there's two viewpoints, the political viewpoint is he doesn't make a lot of mistakes. maybe doesn't get more than 2%, but he doesn't make mistakes. the rubio moment you mentioned earlier, probably not something that a presidential candidate wants to see for a running mate. so listening to the rubio comment, pawlenty goes up the chart. having said that, the 1 thing in common between what i call a country club republican and tea party republicans is accountability with regard to finance. and it's certainly in minnesota during that eight-year term, the two terms, we had a lot of district tape going on in minnesota, and property taxes went up, college tuition shot through the roof. people spending went dow