joining us now, mike holland. besides running his investment firm, holland and company, he's been a director of the china fund since its start nearly 20 years ago, and he's also a director of the taiwan fund, both trade here at the new york stock exchange. hi, mike. >> hi, susie. >> susie: despite this impressive clothe,-- growth, there's already talk about china's economy slowing down. i know you go back and forth to china regularly and talk to businesses there. are you seeing any signs of a slowdown? >> yes, and it's much to be desired, susie. the country's stimulus program worked really, really well. they institutesed theirs at the same time the u.s. instituted its stimulus program. theirs caused a growth in the economy that up until this most recent quarter was going about 12% a year. as you said, for a country that is now the second largest gdp in the world, this is no longer a tiny emerging country, economically. so the answer is yes, they wanted to slow down. they have had some speculation in real estate. th