joining us live now is one of the journalists who reported the story, mike isaac, silicon valley based tech reporter for the new york times and author of many books including super pumped, of course, which was made into a netflix series, yada, yada. your list is long of accomplishments. but mike, good to see you. >> thank you. thanks for having me back. >> absolutely. so this is fascinating. there was a party in your article that you mentioned in 2015 where the tech titans gathered and questioned whether artificial intelligence was save us or destroy us. tell us about this conversation and who was in it and what they talked about. >> sure. well, it was, you know, a few years ago now. and really at the time, it was kind of when i you know, i technology has been in development for a very long time, but it was still sort of fanciful conversations back then around with tech billionaires like elon musk and larry page, who were both present essentially wondering what the future of ai would be. and essentially it played out in two ways, larry page, who, you know, co-founder of google, basical