. >>> also aboard tonight and right up front, mike isakoff reports that bush didn't so much as burp when he heard those weren't there. >>> and will there be a democratic mutiny? the fight over who's in charge of the house, tonight. >>> there's also a leadership fight be among republicans, some of whom want to replace michael steele and find someone else to take the reins of the party, despite the fact they kept winning under steele. >>> and a look at hillary clinton that might make, let's put it this way. had you seen this hillary clinton back in 2008, i think a lot of people would have made her president. we will show you a piece now. >> in your role as secretary of state, you have such high-level meetings, have you ever said the phrase, "you've just made a very powerful enemy"? >> no, but i've thought it. >>> let's start with joe wilson. also with us, an msnbc news reporter, michael isakoff. ambassador wilson, thank you for joining us. i saw the film last night. it was a great film. i thought it was so well scripted, so well acted by naomi watts. sean penn as you. those people were gre

>> well, i think mike isakoff who has reported on this far more extensively than i do probably has a better take, but it was very clear to me and to valerie, has been for a long time. that whether there were weapons of mass destruction or not, that was not the rationale for going to war. that was the excuse to mobilize support. for whatever reason they wanted, whether it was to redo the politics of the middle east, as bill crystal has said publically, or bring democracy to the middle east or overthrow saddam, whatever it is, it had nothing to do with weapons of mass destruction. i was in europe at the military command when we were doing the no-fly zone over the north. at that time, our generals were saying, this was in the mid-'90s, that it wasn't worth the time or money we were spending on it because there was no threat from there. that threat level didn't change the entire time we were there. >> you're the reporter on this case. what did the president do when he heard there was tho weapons? did he act that was the reason he went to war because it wasn't that important to him? how d