secret money, as mike isikoff said, leads to scandal.forget that a lot of big pieces of the watergate scandal was secret money. to say this money doesn't matter is to say that karl rove, who really cares a lot about politics is wasting his time trying to raise all this money and gillespie, who knows a lot about politics, is wasting his time. voters -- people will know about this money. the congressmen will know who helped them get elected. the om people kept in the dark are the voters. this is a huge deal and it's his sdoshg and it's dangerous. >> the rove money -- i don't know where you're getting the $12 million number. >> the center for responsive politics. >> they're bragging on raising and spending $52 million. they say they're going to blow past that and spend a great deal more. they said that was their initial goal and now they say they will blow past that and spend significantly more. one of the issues is that they're not disclosed. 72% of people in the last nbc/wall street journal poll said it concerns them that they do not know

next to bill, we have mike isikoff. mike is a very prominent journalist, national investigative reporter with nbc news. he was named the nbc news national correspondent in 2010, reports for the nbc nightly news, "today," and msnbc. he is the author of two "new york times" best-selling books, "hubris: the inside story of spin scandal and the covering of the iraq war." he joined this week after being a reporter with "the washington post" in december of 1981. next to him, moving down the road, we have lucy dalglish. with losing and with mike we will get the journalist's perspective. the reporters for freedom of the press, of which lucy is executive director, is a voluntary association of news editors and reporters dedicated to defending the first amendment. before assuming the position 10 years ago, she was a media lawyer for five years with the firm of dorsey and whitney. she was also a reporter herself, a reporter and editor at the st. paul pioneer press. in 1995 she was report -- she was awarded the piarist honor bestowe